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All Forum Posts by: Scott Choppin

Scott Choppin has started 10 posts and replied 223 times.

Post: How can I become a real estate developer

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Marlon Thomas

What did you end up doing to get into real estate development?

Post: The Real Estate Development Business - ask/say anything

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359
Originally posted by @Pavan Sandhu:

How do you feel about prefabricated energy efficient modular homes and their place in today's society?

 Hi Pavan:

To start, I am very enthusiastic about modular/panelized home construction for the following reason (from a development perspective):

1. Time savings in construction cycles

2. Elimination of number of trade partners needed to complete project

3. Fits better with what I call our CM Prime construction model

4. Better quality due to being built in factory, rather than field constructed

5. Depending on type of modular (true modular or panelized) you can skip the plan check process at local city building department.

Disadvantages:

Cost - the modular industry has still not full resolved the cost differential to my satisfaction. While in many cases they are getting closer, you still must add the site costs, any remainder work where the modules are joined, exterior envelope completion (i.e. stucco or siding), and most importantly (in my own research) the process of craning the modules on site is EXTREMELY expensive. 

I'll give you an example, we had company that did modular consulting prepare an estimate for a three unit project of ours in SoCal. The price per s.f. of the module was around $110 psf, so that was an OK price. Then you add the site work, the siding completion, etc., and that added another $40 psf to the number. Then they added the shipping, crane cost, and setting the modules and it was $127,000 JUST FOR THE CRANE PROCESS!!!! So something like 25% of the entire cost of their product is in the shipping, and put the total cost PSF way over site built. 

Before the crane costs, the number was over our site build cost by a good margin but possibly acceptable given carry cost savings, after crane costs added, total breakdown in our considering this a viable method for our moderate income privately financed UTH housing offer.

They of course argue correctly that they can save us the interest cost with shorter construction delivery cycles, but the total cost PSF is so out of coherence with the market that interest carry savings cant' make up for the overages in modular costs. Therefore, we can't even consider it. 

Most of the projects we see using this are affordable housing projects that use city/state subsidies and therefore the developers aren't focused on efficiency of both cost and time. We met with a local nonprofit in Orange County, and their per door cost for construction was over 400k PER DOOR. That did not even include soft costs, interest, land, impact fees, etc. We are building our UTH at well below 400k TOTAL project costs per door. 

You might use modular where the site constraints dictate that site built is totally inefficient, and therefore the modular costs make sense: tight site access, hillside, need for fast construction that outweighs the need for cost, etc. But in a normal, non-rushed, regular flat square site development model, site built wins by a wide margin.

A mentor of mine says this: He has been through 5 cycles of major discussions about modular/panelized housing in his long and very successful career, and each time the start of the new trend is exciting and promising, and then he says it always ends with some major breakdown in cost, such as 127K crane costs for a 3 unit project. He has built something close to 27,000 units of MF housing, and not one has been a modular project. This just confirms for me that the technology and practices are not yet ready for major market usage. But, the residential construction domain is ripe for new methodology offers, just hasn't happend yet.

If they could resolve the costs issue, I would use this methodology almost exclusively for all the advantages above. 

Scott

Post: The Real Estate Development Business - ask/say anything

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Pavan Sandhu

Give me a day or two on your question. 

Thanks!

Post: The Real Estate Development Business - ask/say anything

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Sarah Lorenz

Great question. My answer is.....let me give you the methodology for determining the cost. 

Two reasons for doing it this way:

1. The general specifications for site development in CA vs. MI, and your local city/county are way different then anywhere/everywhere else. Different due to regional differences in the engineering specs for the utilities (i.e. one type of pipe spec for sewer in CA, another in MI), the road design, do they require you to build curb and gutter or do rolled curb, landscaping and parkway specs, etc. So I could tell you it's 50k per lot for land development and that's a good number here is CA, and a bad number in MI. 

2. Your site may have different characteristics than mine. You may have hills, I have a flat site. Yours has trees, mine doesn't. Yours has nesting owls, mine has Bluespotted butterflys. Yours has no blue line stream, mine does. On and on and on. Each situation will drive a different cost structure.

My methodology is to have a set of practices that takes these differences into account, a fundamental way of looking at a site development or building project and making a thorough and rigorous assessment, even when you don't know what's different. Think of it this way, the site on the east side of your city can and will be totally different from a site on the west side. Same city/county, same market, radically different cost structures. 

I want to get everyone thinking about how to fundamentally approach gathering costs for a specific task or project: such as how much for site development costs, how much to build each house, or the development impact fees required to be paid. Fundamental practice, an action of underwriting and gathering info on deal, a flexible, open and dynamic approach to the details in that particular deal. Fundamental system, flexible approach to details.

So I always approach it from a flexible perspective, meaning I don't assume a cost in one area is a cost in another area, they are probably different. But fundamentally I know these costs for land development always exist, in all markets at all times:

Land

Underground utilities, wet and dry

Mass grading

Roads, sidewalks, curb and gutter, signage

Drainage, i.e. the building of detention/retention basin, spillways, and/or underground drainage structures (usually under the street).

Development impact fees related to land (does not include the fees that you'll pay to build each house

Fees:

  • Park fees
  • Traffic fees
  • Drainage basin/district fees
  • Water basin/district fees
  • ANY AND ALL OTHER FEES THAT EXIST (see below, ask and ask and ask) WHATEVER THEY MAY BE

Soft costs

Design and engineering costs

  • Plan check fees for your final plat map and engineering plans
  • Planning application fees if processing a zone change or general plan amendment
  • Environmental studies, investigate endangered animals and plans
  • Phase I, II, and III environmental studies, i.e. toxic and environmentally impact soils conditions

The most important thing to remember, is that this is and must be a flexible list, not fixed and objective. Always be looking for what's not on the list, what's left out, what's missing. That's usually where people get in trouble, the costs that were forgot/missed/didn't know about.

So you create a spreadsheet for your own internal use, and then call the folks who know these costs cold and begin you information and cost gathering. 

Using this checklist system, I could go into MI and do a relatively complete underwriting knowing nothing of the local requirement or costs structures. I would call land brokerages firms, civil engineering firms, the local city/county for fees, construction companies for utilities, road, sidewalks, grading, etc. In many markets, there are companies that specialize in the preparation of feasibility studies for land development costs. In some cases, land brokers may have this info from past deals that they worked on, but be careful. The data may be old, the broker may be BS'ing you (nothing like a low land development budget to make the high price for the land purchase look reasonable). Always, and I mean ALWAYS do your own independent analysis. I promise you it will save your butt.

One tactic I use is to always ask everyone you talk to: What am I missing? Is there anything I did NOT ask you about, a fee, a cost, a unique issues (soils type, water table, endangered birds/bees/bugs/lizards/owls, etc). 

This is not perfect solution, but the main issue folks run into is they don't ask enough people broadly, and then question these people enough deeply. 

Grind.....it......out. 

Ask a million questions, ask everyone, everywhere, all the time. If your driving people crazy with your questions, your on the right track but just getting started.

Scott

Post: San Jose ADUs. Experiences to share?

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

Hi:

@Gary F.

I did some checking, and the CITY of San Jose, where your site is located, does not have the owner restriction. While the COUNTY of Santa Clara does, you are in the city jurisdiction, and therefore you may develop the ADU with no owner occupancy requirements.

This is one of the tricky parts of moving into the ADU domain, it is now a real estate development move, with zoning interpretations, jurisdiction determinations, and other fun political and entitlement stuff. The City of SJ does require that you agree to "not sell the secondary unit" but you can't do that legally anyways without a subdivision process.

Here is their worksheet to check the requirements:

https://www.sanjoseca.gov/DocumentCenter/Home/View...

Take a look and let me know what questions you have.

Scott

Post: How to create a 40 unit complex in Boston?

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359
Mark M. Let's set up a phone call. Happy to connect and be an offer of help. DM me Scott

Post: Teacher/Mentor to teach auctions, financials, BP calculators

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Edward Abel

Hi Edward, did you find someone to help you with with this?

Thanks 

Scott

Post: I'm looking for a peer/mentor/partner

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Howard Greisman

Howard, did you find someone to connect with?

Post: The Real Estate Development Business - ask/say anything

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359
Hi Jon Klaus Let's see, List in no particular order: Flat site, no terrain. Avoiding major grading. City political structure that is conducive to reasonable subdivision map timing and conditions of approval. Market conditions that provide sufficient demand for lot sales and/or home sales to support the lot sales. No environmental issues, or toxic soils No biological issues such as endangered birds, bees, butterflies, salamanders, lizards, owls, or anything else that may be or could someday become endangered. No wetlands No blue line streams, or any involvement from the Army Corps of Engineers. No major flood control or drainage requirements. It's getting harder to avoid these days, but reduced detention/retention infrastructure if it all possible. Good marketing window, visibility from local or major roads, or freeways that drive demand for lot and home sales. Said another way, not too hidden or hard to find. Said another way, in the path of growth. Reduced or low competition from local homebuilders or major national homebuilders. Neighbors who are open to development adjacent to their neighborhood. Good road access. I don't know if I have it anymore, but I used to have a checklist that was put together by a company called Lewis Homes here in Southern California. I kid you not, it was something like 50 pages, and it had every conceivable scenario that the project manager would have to fact check in order to get the deal approved at Land Committee. One of the questions was: is the site next to a dairy? In the location where this company built homes, there were a lot of dairies, cows and dairies can be pretty smelly. Not a place you want to build homes. Scott

Post: The Real Estate Development Business - ask/say anything

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

Hi Everyone: 

I was thinking to open up a space for an "anything goes" thread, where the topic is real estate development and development deal making. It could be anything: questions, war stories, best deal, worst deal, advice on careers in RED, even general complaining  and/or praise about anything to do with RED.

Anything goes.....

Scott