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All Forum Posts by: Tom O.

Tom O. has started 11 posts and replied 210 times.

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Tom O.Posted
  • Chicago
  • Posts 214
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See brandon turner's video. 

A tip I've shared to potentially avoid Covoid 19 for landlords and tenants

Finally, some personal advice to all. I've sent this message to all my tenants. I've been listening to hours of interviews with doctors and the epidemiologist expert at Johns Hopkins. He said the common cold/flu is a type of corona virus, just not this one. Based on that, and knowing the common cold is seasonal and correlated to low D-3 levels in the body, it is obvious that having high or at least normal D3 levels could prevent the Novocorona Virus. Covoid19.

My brother is a doctor who has been in a decade-long-term Vitamin D-3 research project. Take 5,000 IUs of Vitamin D-3 a day. If you have not been supplementing with D-3 (your multi is too low, only 4-800 IU) previously take 50,000 IU a day for 5 days. Then drop down to 5K a day.

He also said that all the docs he works with take 50K a day when they feel a cold or flu coming on and it seems to knock it right out. I've done that as well with some success. Not always.

Post: Wholesaling is a NO NO!

Tom O.Posted
  • Chicago
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 165

It's illegal in Illinois now. 

Just saw Brandon's video and it's good. It's something that can be done and sends the right message. 

I'd love to give my tenants a "rent holiday" for April but then what about May or June? If I say don't pay April, they won't pay May either. Everyone will think the rent holiday is for the duration of this, whatever this is. 

I may have to forgive rent entirely at some point but we're not there yet. 

Questions: 

1. Is there a ERDP document anyone has drafted yet? 

2. The paying over 10 months is a good idea but what if the lease ends in 3 or 6 months? We will need a clause in there about that. 

A tip I've shared to potentially avoid Covoid 19 for landlords and tenants


Finally, some personal advice to all. I've sent this message to all my tenants. I've been listening to hours of interviews with doctors and the epidemiologist expert at Johns Hopkins. He said the common cold/flu is a type of corona virus, just not this one. Based on that, and knowing the common cold is seasonal and correlated to low D-3 levels in the body, it is obvious that having high or at least normal D3 levels could prevent the Novocorona Virus. Covoid19. 

My brother is a doctor who has been in a decade-long-term Vitamin D-3 research project. Take 5,000 IUs of Vitamin D-3 a day. If you have not been supplementing with D-3 (your multi is too low, only 4-800 IU) previously take 50,000 IU a day for 5 days. Then drop down to 5K a day. 

He also said that all the docs he works with take 50K a day when they feel a cold or flu coming on and it seems to knock it right out. I've done that as well with some success. Not always. 

Post: Real Estate Attorney

Tom O.Posted
  • Chicago
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 165

Let's think about this. You're about to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on something and you don't want to spend a few hundred on an attorney to make sure you don't get screwed? I'll let you figure out the math. 

My banks would look at the rental income for the mortgage on my next building. That helped reduce my DTI. As others are pointing out, you'd be better off putting everything into an LLC and getting a business loan at a higher rate. But, I think you can still find a banker to give you a regular mortgage or a HELOC and count the rental income. Especially if it's showing up on your tax returns.

PM me if you want my buddy's name. 

Originally posted by @Joseph Konney:
Originally posted by @Tom O.:
Originally posted by @Mike H.:

@Tom O.  Investing for appreciation in chicago is tough. I'd say just plain lucky that you bought in an area that was poor and is now trending up. But its always better to be lucky than good. Its the cash flow that would concern me. Losing money in year 1 isn't bad if you're counting the rehab you put in. I don't count the initial rehab expenses as part of the cash flow analysis. Once the property is rehabbed and rented, then I go from there.

The real question is what do those numbers look like in year 2. Are you going to have a true net profit for the year? i.e collected rent minus PITI minus expenses/repairs/cap ex. And what happens if you have an eviction? Lost rent. Make ready costs? Will the property make money if the eviction takes 4 to 6 months (cook county average)?

First, I am NOT investing for appreciation. That's speculation. I'm investing for cash flow. I didn't get lucky. The area is right next to one of the hottest neighborhoods in Chicago so I knew this hood was next. 

None of your concerns worry me. Yes, these buildings are now making money. I didn't get lucky. I knew exactly what and where I was buying. I bought another. The first has appreciated almost double it's value. I bought for cash flow. I'm making money even if they don't appreciate at ALL. 

And, no, evictions don't take that long. My lawyer buddy can do them in 2-3 months. And I've had some vacancies and I'm fine. Heck 2 apartments alone pay the mortgage. I am losing money my first year with fixing deferred maintenance, a new roof, plumbing stuff. 

It's not hard to make money in Chicago even buying off the MLS. That's total BS that you have to get off market deals and all that nonsense. It's just silly. Just get a good realtor (I can recommend mine) and set up the email to search the MLS and you're good to go.

Please let me know who at the Cook County Sheriff's office he has on his payroll so I can hire him. After the court process is done it still takes 2-3 months just waiting for the sheriff to perform the eviction!

No, I stand by my original post. My buddy says he can do an eviction in 2-3 months. I believe he means he can get a possession order in 2-3 months. That's all he can control: the court order. That's fairly do-able, depending on various factors like the tenant asking for a jury trial/ But that's what he says and he's done more of these than either of us. 

Do you count an "eviction" as getting a possession order? Then the Sheriff has to serve it. There's usually a backlog. That's not the attorney's fault. 

But yes it is obviously faster and easier to work it out and evictions like 99% of ALL cases do not go to trial but are worked out by a settlement of some kind, an agreed order. Most tenants will not want an eviction on their record and if they agree to something, they can avoid it. 

You can argue it and spin it and create scenarios "proving" I'm wrong but my buddy has done thousands of evictions and he says most are "2-3" months. YES, there are tenants who will try to exploit every loophole but since I don't take a security deposit most won't find attorneys to take their cases and they can't afford to fight it and thankfully there aren't enough free attorneys. 

Originally posted by @Mike B.:
Originally posted by @Tom O.:
Originally posted by @Mike B.:

You are not getting an eviction done in Chicago in 2-3 months. I'd love to be proven wrong on this, but I have one hundred American dollars and a cup of coffee that says that your lawyer buddy can't produce an example.

Um, yeah this is all that my attorney friend does so you're gonna lose that bet. 

Now, of course it depends on how you define the terms, and what happens and what time of year and all sorts of other factors. 

The first trick of course is to AVOID eviction with cash for keys. 

The second trick is to file and work out a settlement that gets the tenant out without having to wait for the final order and sheriff to serve. A skilled eviction lawyer like my buddy can get someone out in 2-3 months using eviction. That's the bottom line. Remember: it's in the tenant's interest to NOT have an eviction order on their record so it's worth their while to negotiate once the thing is filed AND if you work it out you can agree to seal the file so there's no record of it against the tenant. 

But I do love how you armchair attorneys know more than the litigation attorneys. 


Yeah, but you said your "lawyer buddy can get an eviction in two to three months"...the two things you described aren't evictions. Your original statement made it sound like he can go through the entire eviction court process and have it settled in 2-3 months. Maybe I misread or you mistyped. I'm certainly aware of the cash for keys strategy...I've never considered hiring a lawyer to do something like that but to each their own. I'll also concede that he may be very good at negotiating settlements but again, that's not getting somebody evicted in 2-3 months, it's simply negotiation. We are obviously talking about two different things. 
Originally posted by @Andrew Kougl:

With 1st installments of property taxes just having come out, it's a great time to revisit the thread.

I invested in the Southside neighborhood of Chicago Heights as an out of state investor and the numbers looked great BUT the property taxes are a killer! They've gone up 40% on my 1st installment since last year. I can't raise rents fast enough to keep up with the rent hikes. Meanwhile my property has appreciated but as a buy and hold investor that equity is tied up and can't be used to pay property taxes. 

Word of warning to those interested in Chicago suburbs, watch out for property taxes, mine are almost 7% of the value of the home and it's a cashflow killer basically locking in a loss already this year. My lender told me taxes would be $451/mo, they were actually $561, now they are set to be almost $700. Make sure you are getting accurate tax estimates that eliminate the $10k homeowner discount. 

 Pardon me but you didn't invest "in Chicago" and you didn't invest in the "southside neighborhood of Chicago Heights." 

You invested in a south suburban city called "Chicago Heights." That's not "in Chicago." Correct me if I'm wrong. 

Property taxes are a killer in Illinois generally and suburbs especially as they rely on them very heavily. In the City they're going up drastically as well. But less on the south and west sides and more on the north side.

Originally posted by @Mike B.:

You are not getting an eviction done in Chicago in 2-3 months. I'd love to be proven wrong on this, but I have one hundred American dollars and a cup of coffee that says that your lawyer buddy can't produce an example.

Um, yeah this is all that my attorney friend does so you're gonna lose that bet. 

Now, of course it depends on how you define the terms, and what happens and what time of year and all sorts of other factors. 

The first trick of course is to AVOID eviction with cash for keys. 

The second trick is to file and work out a settlement that gets the tenant out without having to wait for the final order and sheriff to serve. A skilled eviction lawyer like my buddy can get someone out in 2-3 months using eviction. That's the bottom line. Remember: it's in the tenant's interest to NOT have an eviction order on their record so it's worth their while to negotiate once the thing is filed AND if you work it out you can agree to seal the file so there's no record of it against the tenant. 

But I do love how you armchair attorneys know more than the litigation attorneys. 


Post: Is investing in Chicago brilliant or ridiculous...go!

Tom O.Posted
  • Chicago
  • Posts 214
  • Votes 165
Originally posted by @Mike H.:

@Tom O.  Investing for appreciation in chicago is tough. I'd say just plain lucky that you bought in an area that was poor and is now trending up. But its always better to be lucky than good. Its the cash flow that would concern me. Losing money in year 1 isn't bad if you're counting the rehab you put in. I don't count the initial rehab expenses as part of the cash flow analysis. Once the property is rehabbed and rented, then I go from there.

The real question is what do those numbers look like in year 2. Are you going to have a true net profit for the year? i.e collected rent minus PITI minus expenses/repairs/cap ex. And what happens if you have an eviction? Lost rent. Make ready costs? Will the property make money if the eviction takes 4 to 6 months (cook county average)?

First, I am NOT investing for appreciation. That's speculation. I'm investing for cash flow. I didn't get lucky. The area is right next to one of the hottest neighborhoods in Chicago so I knew this hood was next. 

None of your concerns worry me. Yes, these buildings are now making money. I didn't get lucky. I knew exactly what and where I was buying. I bought another. The first has appreciated almost double it's value. I bought for cash flow. I'm making money even if they don't appreciate at ALL. 

And, no, evictions don't take that long. My lawyer buddy can do them in 2-3 months. And I've had some vacancies and I'm fine. Heck 2 apartments alone pay the mortgage. I am losing money my first year with fixing deferred maintenance, a new roof, plumbing stuff. 

It's not hard to make money in Chicago even buying off the MLS. That's total BS that you have to get off market deals and all that nonsense. It's just silly. Just get a good realtor (I can recommend mine) and set up the email to search the MLS and you're good to go.