All Forum Posts by: Dionte Graves
Dionte Graves has started 8 posts and replied 62 times.
Post: How do you structure your private lender contracts???
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- Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Dell Schlabach:
Are you planning on doing equity split with the investor, (more complex) or borrow at a fixed interest rate. We do most of our rehabs with private money, in the beginning we did a lot of profit splits, today we don't do that anymore. Fixed interest rates rather than ewuity sharing really simplifies the paperwork.
Typically the property is titled to us and the private lender holds a mortgage and a promissory note and is added as an aditionial insured (very similar to the documents a bank would require).
We have a couple people that invest via their sdira, we close with a title company, they make sure all the required paperwork is in order.
Great and accurate response!! No equity splits here, these properties dont have huge margins where equity splits are attractive, which Im sure you're aware of being from ne ohio as well lol . So yes a fixed rate, borrowed from an ira, what title company do you use if you dont mind sharing?
Post: How do you structure your private lender contracts???
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- Cleveland, OH
- Posts 72
- Votes 18
Originally posted by @Ryland Taniguchi:
Private money is the way to go but I would be careful borrowing money from family. If things go south, hopefully you have other assets to pay them back. In my experience, they still will not be happy even when you pay them back. If working with family is the only option, it might be better to do a partnership structured in an LLC where they know they are actively taking a risk.
Also, make sure you know you are doing. In real estate, what you don't know tends to cost you money.
Thanks for your response... Using a private money lender with an actual operating agreement in place is the only uncharted territory thus far, hence my inquiry into how other bp members have gone about this in their businesses. We've been actively rehabbing homes in my area for the past years and we have our costs under control better than the average company here. There inst much that can surprise me with homes in my area.
Post: How do you structure your private lender contracts???
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- Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Charlie Fitzgerald:
I'd spend the money to have a RE Attorney set this up for you correctly to protect all parties.
Exactly what Ive decided to do! Its not expensive but could be very expensive without it... Thanks for your reply!
Post: How do you structure your private lender contracts???
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- Cleveland, OH
- Posts 72
- Votes 18
Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:
I like your attitude! And yes, a formal agreement needs to be made, especially with family.
First, you need to speak to your tax adviser, as a member managed and manager managed LLC has different tax consequences.
Voting, liquidation, liability can be based on contributions to capital if not addressed to the contrary in your OA.
Understand events of withdrawing members, different members can move in or out depending on the deal or business need. You can also have different classes of members, much like preferred and common stock and as to voting rights.
I like, as the money guy or not, using an LLC rather than being a lender, there are advantages and disadvantages to both, your attorney can guide you.
You need to read your state LLC law and look to the default provisions, things that operate by law unless otherwise stated, it generally better to otherwise state such matters, when and how a member might be treated for tax purposes, liability, creating debt, inheritance and other aspects.
Best advice from me is plan ahead, map out what you might do and cover it in the beginning so you aren't having to revise articles and see your accountant and attorney. :)
Thanks and Great response! I think I'll end up filing an LLC, Here in Cleveland Ohio Most of the homes we are purchasing have less than 80k purchase and rehab costs from start to finish so only one investor per deal is typical here. Most likely will be a two member LLC.
I'll Let my CPA make the final call on whats best as far as the tax implications for my company, although I believe any net profits would just be considered a capital gain taxed at 35-40% or so unless I reinvest the profits into Real Estate...
Post: How do you structure your private lender contracts???
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- Cleveland, OH
- Posts 72
- Votes 18
Good Morning,
My company has a couple potential private lenders who are interested in lending to us for the purchase of a distressed residential property. My company will serve as the Gc over the project once complete, we will sell the property retail. We've been doing this for a few yrs but all for out of state investors with no shot at equity. Although these people are my family or a close acquaintance so for our peace of mind and legal reasons of course I want to have an operating agreement of some sort in place...
I've worked consistently with an uncle of mine who trusted me enough to do two deals and we just did business with a handshake, he got is original investment as well as the return we discussed... I know that I'd go to hell and back to repay my investors but in business its naive to just give a good word because someone knows you...
Anyhow any words of advice on drafting an operating agreement or an attorney reccomendation would be greatly appreciated! Also one lender is borrowing from his retirement if this adds a level of complication to this please advise.
Post: Rookie Mistake: I Lost Money to a Wholesaler
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- Cleveland, OH
- Posts 72
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Its tough to be open about the losses taken in business but my worst mistakes have birthed some great wisdom to say the least...
And if anyone is in this business saying they've never lost or made a mistake that's when I'm running lol... Thanks for sharing!
Post: Tradespeople in Cleveland Ohio
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- Cleveland, OH
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I have a full general contracting company, only thing we don't do is small handyman work but we literally do everything thing else... If you're interested send me a scope of work and I can schedule one of my estimators to bid on the work you have...
Post: We've been busy... to say the least...
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- Cleveland, OH
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Excuse the Random pics, Im not too bigger pockets savy on uploading a lot of pics at once... feel free to ask any questions!
Long story short... I started out with a condo and a single family rehab before the crash in 2007-2008. Flipped the one house and had to move into my rental and at 20 yrs old I couldn't find any financing anywhere so My investor career was put on Pause as was the same for a lot of people around me. So in 08 I started working for a few REO national Vendors doing, Property preservation work, The grass cuts, clean outs, minor repairs etc.
Increased that work , lost work, had prices cut, you name it, it was a struggle to say the least, However the past two years I was able to partner with another contracting company and together weve grown, we have multiple crews at our disposal, an in house licensed electrician, plumber and hvac guy, concrete finishers, carpenters, general laborers an in house realtor etc. We have seen the absolute worst homes and completed completed excellent rehabs. We currently are providing majority of our services to a company who made a bulk reo purchase here in the suburbs of Cleveland and they are happy with their progress in our market thus far. We have transitioned out of REO work for the most part and work on our own rehabs along side full rehabs with the out of state investor.
In the near future we will be bringing on investors who will serve as private lenders on rehabs which will be sold conventionally in most cases.
I have tons of pictures that wont make this post but here's a few!
Post: Preparing for my first flip.
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- Cleveland, OH
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My advice would be to be very realistic about property values and the areas of Cleveland you invest in, have a good understanding of how to estimate repairs, and have a few exit strategies that you're prepared use if plan a dosent work out! Anyway I can help let me know!!
Post: Update, From and REO Contractor
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- Cleveland, OH
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@Carrie Giordano Yes I am still active in this business, we've transitioned to rehabbing for an investment group based in California along side, the estimate and repair business.