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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hinrichs

Jay Hinrichs has started 325 posts and replied 41484 times.

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

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Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
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@Daniel Jodrey It's hard to tell without a specific breakdown of the operating expenses, but what are you estimating to be your monthly loan payment? FWIW, most real estate developers/investors I work with would target an IRR of 16%-18% on a duplex. I'm also not seeing what you think the property will be worth in 5 years.

Hey @Jaycee Greene


What I’m getting in the calculations is:

Mortgage: $2782

Taxes: $226 

Insurance: $165

Variable Expenses (15% Maintenance/CapX/Vacancy) : $630

Fixed Expense:$50 ( for water , although likely would build into rents)

I would guesstimate with repairs the property would be worth around $650k so a potential of year 5 value of $718k

@Daniel Jodrey I assume those operating expenses are for the entire duplex, not just the tenant's portion? If so, I think you're a little light, but since it's a house hack, it's probably in the ballpark.

But what's your loan amount, $468k? And what interest rate are you using, it must be below 6%? I'm having a hard time getting to a mortgage payment of $2,782 in the current rate environment.

Hey @Jaycee Greene

We are trying to negotiate a sellers credit and would plan to use that credit to buy down the rate to around 6% or possibly lower if we end up using all the credit and pay closing costs ourselves.

 I am calculating for full duplex. 

@Daniel Jodrey That makes more sense. With that, I'm actually getting fairly close to your numbers. However, I would comment about the return being relatively low (even for a house hack). My CRE clients that focus on SFRs generally look for a return (I used IRR) anywhere from 15%-18%. The reason being, anything less they might as well put their money into the market (via a 401K, IRA, etc.) since the market on average returns 8%-12% a year with little to no effort. Just my 3 cents.

@Jaycee Greene

I can respect that and appreciate that. My mindset and thinking is I’m looking to build long term generational wealth. I’m ok with short term returns , knowing that I’m building wealth/equity that in the long term will fund our life. I am planning to hold for long term and acquire 5-7+ more that in 10-15 years will provide great cash flow as well as equity and a portfolio that will help us achieve financial freedom. 

We have waited so long to buy and am getting to a point where I feel I need to take action to get to my long term goals. What are your thoughts?


@Daniel Jodrey I assume this duplex is in an area near where you currently live (or want to live long-term)? I wouldn't want you to jump into this specific property because you feel you need to take action or you're getting impatient but looking at it through the "long-term lens" you describe, this seems to be a good starting point for you to build your real estate portfolio. 

One word of advice is to think about your "maximum" price you'd be willing to pay if the seller gets multiple offers and/or gets other offers over asking or without the credit. 

Good luck!

@Jaycee Greene 

I agree with your advice and something I am and have been thinking hard about. 

Yes this is in my area and where my family/friends are located. My wife and I have moved all over the US with Hospitality jobs, however have now moved back to this area to be close to our family and set some roots.


how is it a house hack if your renting both sides out ?  

Post: Should my savings go towards a house hack or an out of state investment?

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Hi Jonathan,

I have a deal that I can get you involved in for passive income. Let me know if you are interested. It is a 462 unit apartment complex in TX. Reach out if you have any questions. 

Matt you keep posting this non sense for beginner investors this is totally in appropriate and not allowed on BP not sure why the mods have not taken your stuff down. 
But new investors the last thing they should be doing is investing in hi risk syndication. And I would say 95% of them in the same position this BP member is in is not accredited and cant invest in syndication anyway..

Post: 4,612,000 (4.6 mil) HouseHolds Couldn't Pay Their Mortgage This Month -Concerned Yet?

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Ken dont go down the self promotion lane again you will get your hand slapped again LOL. 

Post: Grandma will loan me anything at 5% rate

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@Jay Hinrichs Hi! What I am presenting is a deal much better than a single family home. You do not need decades of experience in being a landlord. In fact, it is a poor strategy. Start out big enough to have a management company be the landlord. 

your new to BP  your not allowed to self promote like this one the open forums.. And of course we all have our opinions a 22 yo kid starting out should never go into a big syndication with borrowed money its foolish to the extreme and very poor advice.  AS well as unless this is an offering that allows non accredited investors this young man is not accredited.. based on his posts.. So again very poor post on your part.

Post: Grandma will loan me anything at 5% rate

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Hi Ethan,

If you are interested in investing, I have a great team who is currently raising money for a 452 door complex. You do not want to be a landlord and need to look bigger. This would be a great first step to getting you there. Reach out if you have any questions. 


Matt be very cautious of post like this.. you dont want to start out in some massive syndication with people hitting you up on the internet.. Just sayin.. 

I think you can have your grandmother lend you down payment for a house hack FHA there in ID  go with that to start.. get some experience handling one tenant and a place to live by far your best way to start you have decades to work at this.

Post: 35,000 US Properties Foreclosed In March - Did You See That Coming? I Did, Here's Why

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Forclosures are at a historic low. Reporting an increase on a very small number is like saying cash flow on a break-even property has increased by 50%.. congratulations, now you are making $15 instead of 10.

93,000 filings are not much when you know that the size of the US housing market is about 5 million and we have a chronic housing shortage of 3 to 6 million units (depending which banks estimate you trust more), so 93,000 units is basically a drop of water on a hot rock.

TX and FL are outliers right now, they have some of the highest inventory of the US and price appreciation is softening, so it may look a little different locally.

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1. The story is only beginning

2. TX and FL are very important markets ;-) Down turns in those two markets are not good.

3. I'm a "trend line" kind of guy - I like to look at where are things trending

Sure, it could change and improve, but based on the last 4 or 5 years of under reported Distressed loans, I don't expect to see things improving for a couple of years. 

I dont see any big foreclosure situation.. this is just normal activity its highly regional. if anything service rs and lenders learned a very tough lesson during the GFC.. work with borrowers as much as they can and only foreclose if all else fails.. Also so many of these deals get snagged by investors and others prior to sale.. 

Post: RAD Diversified SCAM ALERT!!!

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Sadly, you will never get that explanation.  Dutch's unjustified enormous ego won't allow him to address the damage he had done.  He is currently blaming his investors for their failures and actually soliciting an additional $20,000 from all IC members to help sue the SEC and, ironically, his investors who's money he has stolen.  This is what greed does to someone with no moral fiber.  Truly sad.

SUE the SEC  now thats a good one @Chris Seveney  

Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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I know that anytime Trump's name is mentioned, someone gets triggered. Either the post is too anti-Trump, or too Pro-Trump. 

Let me be clear - I do not condemn Trump's policies or necessarily know whether they will be positive in the long-term future or not for real estate investors. Further, "Downward Pressure" may be "bad" for investors, but it may also be "good" for renters - his policies, if I am correct, may negatively impact housing prices and rents, to the detriment of investors and to the benefit of renters, in the near-term. 

"Positive" or "Negative" impacts are relative. I write from the standpoint of a real estate investor, and I perceive Trump's actions to be threatening to near-term real estate investment returns, on the whole. I believe this because I think that on the whole, his first two weeks of actions are likely to: 

- Have zero no impact on near-term supply (deliveries for single family and multifamily homes 2025 are a result of actions put into motion several years ago)

- Put upward pressure on interest rates: Trump's demand that the Fed lower rates will have absolutely no effect, other than providing a cheap source of easy social media clicks and engagement for real estate pundits. However, the implementation of tariffs, or just the threat of tariffsis likely to influence rates, by impacting inflation numbers, and this influence may come quickly if prices for many common goods and services and raw materials rise in anticipation of tariffs, or in response to their implementation. 

- Put downward pressure on demand: I personally believe it is unlikely that Trump actually deports millions of illegal immigrants who have settled in the United States. This, to me, seems impractical, and a PR nightmare. It's possible he carries it out, but I believe it unlikely. I believe it is far more likely, however, that the effect of his stance and actions materially lessens the flow of new illegal immigrants. This will slow new demand for rentals. In the event that any meaningful percentage of 10-15 million (estimates seem to vary widely depending on which news source you prefer) current illegal immigrants are deported, real estate investors will have a big problem as vacancies soar. It is likely that a huge percentage of that 10M-15M illegal immigrant population are renters. Regardless of whether investors currently rent to illegal immigrants, their competition in the market likely does.

- Put Upward pressure on real estate operating costs: Increased costs for raw materials and supplies, and the likely increased costs for labor involved in many real estate related CapEx and maintenance projects signal the risk of increase in costs for real estate operators.

If there is no impact on near-term supply, a modest slowing of inbound (illegal) migration, more reason to believe that the cost of many goods and services will increase, and real reason to believe that inflation triggered by something other than an increase in the money supply (namely the cost of specific goods and services that are NOT housing going up, which comprise the CPI) will force the Fed to raise rates, this, on the whole, is not good for real estate investment returns. 

No, I do not think that there will be a housing crash or a massive drop, nationwide, in rents and prices. Yes, there will be offsets (do Tariffs and slowing illegal immigration increase wages for some workers - likely yes). But, I believe that the actions of the first two weeks should give investors, on the whole, reason to incrementally revise down their expectations for growth in prices or rent growth in 2025. There may also be incrementally better probability of deals, as investors who are dependent on rates coming down may find their hopes disappointed. 

I think 2025 will be, by and large a buyer's market, and that the new administration's policies only, and again incrementally, make me more confident that this will be the case.

What do other investors think? Do you agree or disagree? 

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Keep in mind that most illegals are / were given free housing in hotels, group homes and many families living in the same space. They are not / were not instrumental in prices going up or responsible for the housing shortage.

Builders just haven't built enough houses to keep up with natural growth. A lot went out of business.

I think the Trumpster says what he means and means what he says. I can imagine there will be free transportation for any illegal that finds it in his best interest to head back to wherever. 

It's only been two weeks, wait until the machine gets churning and things like dedicated passenger trains to the border are available & deporting more.

I think the most effective arguments Trump has, is that since many of the folks are very loyal family members, they will self-deport when grandma or grandpa are deported. 

And, if they are told they can not reenter the country, for 20 years or so, if they don't self deport, with a permanent bar if they get deported. I believe that's an effective message. 

And if the government removes the app that the illegals use to get food, shelter, money and legal advice, then it becomes a whole new ball game.

Regulations are slowing building down. And what I'm seeing is that many would be sellers think it's still 2022 when prices were higher. It will be a year or two before they emotionally catch up to reality and list at reasonable prices.


 Your idea that the "illegals", as you call those humans, were the issue misses his point of the article, entirely. Around the world, I would say a majority of nations have "Do not travel" warnings about the United States due to potential violence, multiple innocent people being jailed at the border for no reason for WEEKS without notice to their family, etc, and the inability of even U.S. citizens to return to their own nation without onerous and fear inducing tactics by federal agents. 

Travel to the U.S. has plummeted, particularly from Canada, U.K. and others. No one wants to be put in the path of this. Nations around the world are reforming trade agreements that eliminate the U.S. 

It will impact rental numbers in a large way. Not to mention the many millions of top middle class folks leaving the country permanently. 

Well there is that. He likely fixed the "tight housing" situation.

"Not to mention the many millions of top middle class folks leaving the country permanently."

Lol, now that's funny. I would like proof of this statement. You cannot provide it because your statement is not true. Other than Rosie O'Donnell that is. And she is not 'many millions'.

And FYI, the term illegals is a shortened version of 'Illegal Aliens' which refers to any persons that have immigrated to the US in an illegal manner, including false asylum claims, etc... So 'illegals' is not a denigration of anyone's character......

Wow, where do you guys get this stuff? NPR, Wapo, NYT....?
no kidding millions leaving  were to ?  having traveled to many places that Americans consider going you do see X pats but its not millions and the grass is not greener as many that leave end up coming back when it was not what their dreams envisioned. 

Post: Providing New Construction Buyers with "Options" Without the Overwhelm

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OK got it..  I dont think I could ever qualify for that.

But thankfully we did not need to give any concessions of any kind.. I had folks ask what are your builder incentives  IE window coverings Refer washer dryer ( like Lennar does) or buy downs etc etc.. just about half of our clients either paid cash or put very large down payments we were 50% empty nesters who sold larger properties 1 to 3 mil and were down sizing to our 750 to 1 mil..

As we simply did not have to give any concessions since we allowed these folks to customize so we took those buyers from the other builders .. We simply built a far superior home with all sorts of extra's that they cant get from the production builders.. Different product. WE were totally blessed  And my wife gets the credit.. I just do what I am told.. and of course I made sure we had the funds to close on the dirt and banking relationships for horizontal and vertical vertical is pretty easy but getting Horizontal NOT so much. 

Anyone can qualify for it, and doesn't have to be for new builds either.  Rental property owners can do the same thing if they own a couple of rentals and wanted to offer it to their prospective buyers.  Typically the cost gets somewhat reincorporated into the property.  Since you can offer a lower rate, you can justify a slightly higher price.  

 And yes horizontal financing is much more difficult indeed haha I feel your pain there!


 Ok thanks  did not know that.. Its what I love about RE and BP you learn something new everyday.. I understand the product exists I just thought the only ones using it were the big boys and girls.. not us little guys/gals

Post: Private Lender Loan Servicing Software Fees

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@Jay Hinrichs Ah, that's much more normal. You said "100% of our funds were investors" then "my capital came from bank Lines of credit NO investors", so wondered exactly how much of the 100% was replaced. 

Some guys I work with were getting 90% advance rates in Houston, but I think the banks are back to 70-80% now. Interesting about the wind-down structure, I'll look into that more. some existing HMLs that don't have cooperating banks right now and probably would be glad to have it. 


I had two different companies.. one in Oakland CA circa 88 to 92 all investors all private and all 100% of funds for loans put up from the investors.  I sold that in 92.

next iteration was 2002 when I started a new lending company in Portland OR to specifically fund Turnkey buyers in the mid west doing BRRRR loans we killed that. Its how come I am so entrenched in funding in the mid west till this day..  But I am back to using our own money and not bank lines of credit as those guidance lines can be gotten but I dont need them anymore.

HI Jay, 
I see that at one point you were using a bank lines of credit to fund your PML.  Just wondering if you can share more information on that.  I would love to increase my line so I can do more PML lending.  Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

 they are called guidance lines  call around to small commerical banks and ask if they have that product.. its not an easy one to get.