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All Forum Posts by: Robert Ellis

Robert Ellis has started 340 posts and replied 3219 times.

Post: How I walked away from my first deal with $67,899.45; thanks BP!

Robert Ellis
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  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @Haydn Zeis:

As I’m writing this I’m about 12 hours and 30 minutes away closing on my first deal.  However, I’m not going to post this on the forum until the paperwork is signed! You never know what can happen!

In 2014 I purchased my first investment property, a live-in flip, in Columbus, Ohio. The property was a HUD home; I found it on the MLS (I'm a licensed REALTOR). I put a bid in on the property and it was accepted for $85,601.44 (44 is my lucky number)! I was able to secure a higher interest loan 4.85% for a 5% down conventional. Rehab costs were just over $20,000.00.

The rehab consisted of rebuilding the deck, pouring new front concrete steps, painting the exterior of the house, revamping all the landscaping, knocking down a wall in the living room to help create more of an open concept, sanding and coating hard wood floors, new carpet in bedrooms, changing out several light fixtures, swapping out the vanity in the bathroom, updating the kitchen with new appliances and creating an open concept by knocking down a wall, painting the entire interior, adding recessed lighting through the living room, updating all plumbing, and installing new gutters. I was able to keep costs down by down by doing most of the work myself, I did hire an electrician, plumber, and people to install the gutters.

In 2014 comparable properties were selling for $120,000 to $130,000. I thought, “Hey, if I can sell this house for $130k and put $15-20k into it, I'll be happy".  Though, in 2015, prices of comps started gaining, momentum.  Through the summer of 2015 prices had reached the $140s-150s.  Moving into the summer of 2016, prices had jumped even higher, $140s-180s.  No-one can control or predict the market, I'm just happy it adjusted in my favor. 

When it was time to list my home, September 2016 (late in the season), I listed the home at $184,900. Though, after 30 days, I hadn’t seen any offers. I believe this is due to the area being very cyclical – homes in Columbus, as a whole are moving very quickly, though, this neighborhood wasn’t as desirable as the faster moving areas.

I dropped the price to $174,900. I didn’t see any offers at that price for another 30 days. The first offer that came to me was a cash offer, after negotiating, we settled on the price of $162,400. That was $2,600 below my bottom line, but I was willing to move down because of a cash offer. The inspection period showed the rear basement wall was bowing 1.5 inches and the side wall 1.25 inches (not bad for a home that is 85 years old). Unfortunately, when most buyers hear something like this they think the house will spontaneously combust. Though, after getting a couple quotes we were able to find a company who would put beams in the wall for a reasonable price. The rest of the home inspection showed your typical home inspection things, light bulb out, missing shingle, etc. etc. The agreement we came to was for the buyers to buy the home As-Is for $158,500 and we get to close 3 weeks early.

The big reason I ended up dropping my price so much lower than my bottom line of $165,000 was the cash offer and the inspection did show legitimate concerns. Also, if the home fell out of contract, I would be able to count on having to wait until after the New Year to get another offer. I wasn’t willing to chase the money I maybe could have gotten. I also feel like the time I would have had to wait to sell this property and find another investment property would have been more costly than the $5-8k I would have been seeking.

To recap:

Purchase Price: $85,601.44

Down payment: $4,280.08

Rehab: $20,000.00

Holding Costs: I don’t count holding costs since the home was my primary residence and I would have had to pay interest, taxes, and insurance no matter what.

Mortgage Payoff: $79,614.49

Closing costs (including commissions, prorated taxes, title insurance, home warranty, etc.): $10,986.06

Sale Price: $158,500.00

Cash to Me: $67,899.45

The total profit was around: $43,619.37

That equals $411.50 per week for the 106 weeks I owned the property.

So what’s next!? My fiancé and I have purchased another foreclosure in an area that was more desirable to us. We plan on living in this home for a little longer, maybe three to four years. Currently, we purchased that property for $292,000.00 (though, I received a $7,000.00 commission off the sale so it’s more like $285,000.00). The comps in the neighborhood are selling for $339,000.00. The rehab needed for this home is right around $10,000.00.

I will be looking for investment properties throughout Columbus. My dad is wanting to invest with me; we’re looking mainly for buy and hold multifamily, but we’re open to other opportunities.

I have to say, BiggerPockets has been an amazing outlet for me. Although this is my first post, I have read or listened to something on BiggerPockets every single day (except when I was on vacation without internet service, it’s waaaay too expensive to buy on a cruise) for the last two years. Hearing and reading about people’s successes has been an amazing way to motivate myself. This community of investors is bar none and I’ll absolutely continue to read and listen to all the different ways to make my pockets a little bit bigger! If you’re a new investor, I highly recommend reading and listening to everything you can on this site!

Thanks again, BiggerPockets!

Awesome Job! I pulled up your listing that you sold on the columbus MLS and your staging looks great! Who did you use for it locally? I started the same way you did with my first live in flip but for me it was only 60 days. What a great way to make some money on the side instead of paying rent! Congratulations again!

Post: New member from Columbus Ohio

Robert Ellis
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Originally posted by @Bryan Mears:

@Robert Ellis

prefer closer to us, but we've been looking at things west of 71

 For practice since you are just starting, check out 6562 Birch Park Drive 

Galloway, OH 43119. This property is a HUD listing our team analyzed several months ago that is still on the market. But if you are familiar with the area this should be a start to analyze deals and get going! Would love to grab coffee and show you a few others!

Post: New member from Columbus Ohio

Robert Ellis
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Originally posted by @Cory Brown:

I am a new member from Columbus, Ohio.  I have an interest in buy and hold multifamily and small apartment complexes, and have been honing my real estate education over the past 6 months.  I am now ready to begin investing in real estate, starting with networking, systems development and property search. 

I work a full time job.  I am self-employed and have the good grace of having a successful business and being able to live well below my means.  I have plans to invest my excess income into real estate, with the ultimate goal of having my daughter financially secure for her lifetime. 

 Cory, this sounds like an amazing plan! I know by also being self employed it took me 2 years tax returns to be able to start purchasing real estate. You mentioned small multifamily. Have you considered if this will be larger or smaller than 4 units? You can get much more favorable financing on under 4 units because it is still classified as residential. 

You mentioned a few things for starting. Networking is a big one for our team. Locally in Columbus, we try to make it every month to COREE and the dublin landlord meetup as well as whenever someone has a BP meetup (which is rare but we always show up). 

I always like to meet with anyone that is a local BP member for coffee if you are up to it

Hope this helps you!

Post: Property Preservation

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Hi Matthew, i have 1 or 2 references for you in the Columbus area, i'm not too familiar with Dayton. I'll message you their contact info. 

Post: Real Estate Investor friendly Insurance Broker - Columbus Ohio

Robert Ellis
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  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @John Horner:
Originally posted by @Brad Clarizio:

Rachel Ford...no one in Columbus is better, I'll PM you her number. 

There are some large investors here that swear by her. I switched about 3 months ago and she's been fantastic. 

 I'm with Brad!  We've been using Rachel Ford for years and she is a total rock star!  She's able to shop for the best rates and she's always available!  We had to start a policy on her birthday a couple weeks ago and even though she wasn't working she took care of the whole thing for us! Now that's dedication!

Is she knowledgeable on owner occupied insurance policies as well? we always need good recommendations for both types here in town. 

Post: New member from Columbus Ohio

Robert Ellis
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Originally posted by @Bryan Mears:

My wife and I are looking for a single family rehab near Columbus, OH

 Are you looking close your area or are you looking all over Columbus for opportunities? 

Post: New member from Columbus, OH

Robert Ellis
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Originally posted by @Nick Quintin:

Hey BP community!

I've been following the Podcast for some time and have decided to jump into Columbus market for my first deal. 

The last year has been spent getting the financial house in order, staying debt-free and building capital. 

Looking at a mule-family property/house hack to start, and go from there. 

Interested in eventully building a portfolio of multi-family retnals in addition to my full-time job. 

Would love to hear any feedback on how to get started in regards to networking and learning from the ground up. 

Thanks!

 House hack is how I started locally. Biggest thing I'd say is to focus on the areas you are interested in the Columbus market and submarkets and just start watching the inventory. Even if you are a few months out, if you have been keeping up with properties in the areas you are interested in it will really help you once it comes time to buy. More often than not you can know as much as an agent if you do the numbers and analyze the deals. Just like Brandon says, you have to do the activities that are going to get you closer to a property. I always like to connect with local investors so if you ever want to grab a cup of coffee I'd love to meet with you and give you any advice I can from my knowledge of my first few years in the industry. 

Post: Columbus' Own

Robert Ellis
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Originally posted by @Mark Crowder:

Ayumi Edgar Are you still looking for a partner?

Robert Ellis I'd love to get tips from you about investing in Columbus. Just starting out but eager to learn and get involved.

 Hi Mark, i'll message you to connect about the local market!

Post: Any insight into Ohio Rental market / turnkey investments

Robert Ellis
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  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @Kate Stephens:

Hi,

I'm new to biggerpockets so this is my first post!  I'm very inspired by all of the success stories and advice on here. I have a few rental properties in California and am looking at changing direction and investing in Ohio for better cash flow. I'd love any feedback on Ohio as an investment market (I have no ties there just seemed to make sense based on the returns but can look anywhere really). I'll need a trusted turnkey partner due to the distance, a busy job and being a Mom. Would love any recommendations or feedback on things to look out for. Thank you!

If you are looking in Ohio for only cash flow and want more opportunities, I'd check out Toledo (my hometown) or cleveland as well as Columbus. there is a group by the name of Ohio Cash Flow Properties that does turnkey rentals out of Toledo. If you are considering Columbus, I can give you a few areas for almost all cash flow. But there will be a lot more opportunities and less competition outside of central OH. 

Post: Please help! Title issues - Columbus, OH

Robert Ellis
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  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Hi there

I'm hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to help me solve a title issue. 

I've purchased 4 Homes all in Columbus. One has closed and title hasn't been taken properly.. The others seems like they will be problematic also. 

I'm buying / taking title in a land trust and for whatever reason the title companies seem to really struggle with the concept. 

On the one I closed on, the title company eventually did it the way I request and then when we checked the Franklin County auditors site the name there is simply the trustee's name. 

Instead of listing the trust name, it just has his name. This completely defeats the point as my trustee will be listed as an owner rather than tj trust name. As he is in a number of properties this makes the asset protection strategy of obscuring ownership pointless. 

The trust name on title is 'the 123 main street Columbus Ohio Franklin County Trust, ABC xyz as trustee' 

I used a long naming convention in the hope the trustee name being at the end would be truncated or cut off. Thereby making it even harder to search for the title. 

Anyway, I'm a bit stuck. Im new to this stuff but am confident of the structure and why it's wise to buy this way. I do need some help please on how to ensure the county at least lists some more info / trust name. 

Any help would be much appreciated especially from those that buy in Columbus, OH. 

Many thanks! 

Rudi 

 Sounds complicated but I'll also send you a few people that we have worked with that are very knowledgable on title and have worked with plenty of investors around town. Not sure it will help at this point because title is already closed, but if you are having major issues the people we use around Columbus are attorneys and title reps so they can answer most questions.