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All Forum Posts by: Sarah Kensinger

Sarah Kensinger has started 6 posts and replied 2203 times.

Post: Arbitrage lease agreement template

Sarah Kensinger
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Quote from @Lisa Marie:

@Ke Nan Wang,  appreciate your input.  I guess we will go with a regular real estate attorney.

@Sarah Kensinger, we have a person already lined up to do this. My husband and I interviewed 3 people who were interested and picked this guy, who we felt most comfortable with. He had 2 successful STR properties himself and he seemed to be an upstanding guy. Money is actually not our #1 priority. We want someone we can trust and can have a long term relationship with. Hopefully he is the right one. Sarah, do you have recommendations on somebody else who may be interested in taking on an arbitrage project? We would be happy to talk to that person just to get to know each other, in case something happens with the current guy. Also, if this arbitrage model works, we may buy another property and do it again, which means we will be looking for another partner.

Yes, as a matter of fact I just might have someone that is interested. Also, the reason I asked is because I wondered if the person lined up to do the STR arbitrage might know of an attorney. Just make sure the attorney wouldn't just be looking out for the renter but you as well.

Post: Want to try STR arbitrage in Vegas but live in California

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Quote from @Richard Elvin:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Richard Elvin:
Quote from @Ashley Richardson:

I'm interested in rental arbitrage and wanted to start off in Vegas since it's a cheaper option than Los Angeles. However when I look up the regulations for Las Vegas I see that it's only allowed if owner occupied.. Is there any way around this or should I give up on Vegas and have an STR somewhere else?


 I think the point about being nearby is that rental arbitrage doesn't provide a lot of cash flow cushion, ie, you may not be able to afford to pay someone to do the small stuff. If you are renting it at ltr rates, then subletting at str rates, are the str rates high enough to pay for utilities, cleaning, maintenance, repairs, etc? What about cash input for furnishing the ltr as an str? 
I'm really curious about how the numbers work out on arbitrage and would love to see a breakdown of this. (Now I'm going to have to research this. Down the rabbit hole I go!)
Do you have numbers you're analyzing? I'm geniunely curious!

If your analyzing numbers, the home needs to return all the cash you put into the property in 6 months. Then the remaining 6 months is profit. So, if the owner doesn't renew the lease, you at least have 6 months profit. The property would need to be in a highly profitable area.

Make sure you make it out the rabbit hole! ;)

 I've kinda made it out of th rabbit hole! lol
I guess what I would like to see is the same type of analysis that is done on a ltr, which is what I'm familiar with. 
I can fairly quickly see whether or not the numbers work on a sfr using Google sheets and filling out some basic info. If that checks out then I can deep dive.
I don't see how to analyze in the arbitrage world.

We've never done rental arbitrage, but I have helped run numbers before. You would run the numbers just like a STR you would own, instead you're paying rent not a mortgage. But take the amount you would spend in furnishings and deposit and divide it up to 6 months (or less). If that amount is recouped within those 6 months, it would be a good home to pursue. That's pretty much the only difference between arbitrage and a STR you purchase.


Post: Best way to get new STR homeowner clients?

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Build relationships with realtors and add value plus clients for each other!

Post: STR that looks really good on AirDNA

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Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
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Quote from @Murray Reginald:

Hi BP,

I am looking at a couple beach house properties that looks really good on AirDNA however, AirDNA gave me the following analysis:

Beach House Property:

Annual Revenue - 121.6K

Occupancy Rate   - 88%

Cap Rate - 29.51%


I have another house I see that has the following analysis:


Two Story House Near Beach:

Annual Revenue - 121.6K

Occupancy Rate - 88%

Cap Rate - 29.51%



I've ran some comps on the beach house however, I don't see any 3:1s to compare I only see 4:2s and 2:1s, I'm trying to figure how accurate are these numbers and is there anything else I can do to confirm this will be a good investment since the Beach House has never been on AirBnB/VRBO im wondering how accurate is this information and how did AirDNA come up with those numbers.  


AirDNA is far from accurate. Come on, 30 cap rate doesn't exist even in LTR space. The most reliable way of finding the marketability of STR is checking their future-30-90 days online booking, that's what I found so far.

So, I assume you know STR since your here on this forum. STR cash flow 2-3 times more than an LTR, which is one of the reasons many of us just do short-term over long-term. So, no you won't find a LTR with a 30% cap rate, you can't charge that much a month. But with a STR the monthly income can double or triple if the owner has done proper research of location, market, etc. and the property is managed correctly. We won't' look at a property that is below 20% cap rate and we are part of a large group that does the same practice, it's partly why all of us can do so well. If you have patience and know how to look, there is usually a diamond in the rough.

 If you buy in 2011 then you would get 20 cap rate Lol but not when you purchase in 2023

We're buying this year as well as many in our mastermind....those deals are still very much around!

There is no STR market in 2023 that has two digit cap rate, it is just impossible in math


 Ok when we purchase ours, I'll add it to the review and feedback forum and maybe send some of our mastermind friends to do the same. ;p 


 you can say whatever you want, unless the accounting is cooked or it's in rural area where booking is only few times a year/not sustainable. Double digit Cap rate market in most urban city is simply not available/not possible. Airdna even has writing on this: https://www.airdna.co/blog/you... 

I've been researching STR, the only way you could do double digit cap rate only if:
1. you use the purchase price in 2010 
2. it's somewhere rural that your purchase price is close to zero and rent it for three hundred bucks a month LOL

Good Honest PM like ArrivedHomes for example, is showing with STR, the positive addition of cap rate compare to LTR is only yielding additional 1 percent, so if LTR market is 3%, actual cap rate for STR is 4%. 

Also if one is reading Here PM STR "audited financial report", their actual profit loss statement is negative for all their 2022 properties, even in rural properties it is negative single digit cap rate (bought for 1.5 mil and rent for $400/night with 40% vacancy).

I'm not sure what to say but we almost bought a FL condo that required a bit of "lipstick" work that had 20% cap rate, just directed a client to a home in Ohio that had close to 27% cap rate, and as I look for other properties we may personally purchase I come across 20% fairly often. $200,000-$300,000 price range and once all utilities, taxes, insurance, supplies, furnishings, etc are accounted for, you're looking at a 20+ COC return. That's how we are able to have successful STR without dealing with "the Airbnb bust", over saturated, low bookings, and everything else you hear. We watch, wait and run numbers like crazy to find that "perfect" numbers property. I would highly suggest checking out Bill Faeth and Michael Sjogren since they regularly teach this and have used this strategy for years.

 You could just share the address and how do you account for 20% cap rate in Florida condo :) 

This calculation is coming from Evolve, this is few years ago number and after I calculated everything, the number looks to be accurate. The FL condo actual cap rate is only 4%: https://evolve.com/blog/homeow...

Evolve?!? That just explained everything.
2 bed/ 2 bath. Sandestin FL March of 2023

If anyone else is interested I can break the numbers for your property just like the above photo.

Post: STR that looks really good on AirDNA

Sarah Kensinger
Posted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Ohio
  • Posts 2,235
  • Votes 1,295
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Murray Reginald:

Hi BP,

I am looking at a couple beach house properties that looks really good on AirDNA however, AirDNA gave me the following analysis:

Beach House Property:

Annual Revenue - 121.6K

Occupancy Rate   - 88%

Cap Rate - 29.51%


I have another house I see that has the following analysis:


Two Story House Near Beach:

Annual Revenue - 121.6K

Occupancy Rate - 88%

Cap Rate - 29.51%



I've ran some comps on the beach house however, I don't see any 3:1s to compare I only see 4:2s and 2:1s, I'm trying to figure how accurate are these numbers and is there anything else I can do to confirm this will be a good investment since the Beach House has never been on AirBnB/VRBO im wondering how accurate is this information and how did AirDNA come up with those numbers.  


AirDNA is far from accurate. Come on, 30 cap rate doesn't exist even in LTR space. The most reliable way of finding the marketability of STR is checking their future-30-90 days online booking, that's what I found so far.

So, I assume you know STR since your here on this forum. STR cash flow 2-3 times more than an LTR, which is one of the reasons many of us just do short-term over long-term. So, no you won't find a LTR with a 30% cap rate, you can't charge that much a month. But with a STR the monthly income can double or triple if the owner has done proper research of location, market, etc. and the property is managed correctly. We won't' look at a property that is below 20% cap rate and we are part of a large group that does the same practice, it's partly why all of us can do so well. If you have patience and know how to look, there is usually a diamond in the rough.

 If you buy in 2011 then you would get 20 cap rate Lol but not when you purchase in 2023

We're buying this year as well as many in our mastermind....those deals are still very much around!

There is no STR market in 2023 that has two digit cap rate, it is just impossible in math


 Ok when we purchase ours, I'll add it to the review and feedback forum and maybe send some of our mastermind friends to do the same. ;p 


 you can say whatever you want, unless the accounting is cooked or it's in rural area where booking is only few times a year/not sustainable. Double digit Cap rate market in most urban city is simply not available/not possible. Airdna even has writing on this: https://www.airdna.co/blog/you... 

I've been researching STR, the only way you could do double digit cap rate only if:
1. you use the purchase price in 2010 
2. it's somewhere rural that your purchase price is close to zero and rent it for three hundred bucks a month LOL

Good Honest PM like ArrivedHomes for example, is showing with STR, the positive addition of cap rate compare to LTR is only yielding additional 1 percent, so if LTR market is 3%, actual cap rate for STR is 4%. 

Also if one is reading Here PM STR "audited financial report", their actual profit loss statement is negative for all their 2022 properties, even in rural properties it is negative single digit cap rate (bought for 1.5 mil and rent for $400/night with 40% vacancy).

I'm not sure what to say but we almost bought a FL condo that required a bit of "lipstick" work that had 20% cap rate, just directed a client to a home in Ohio that had close to 27% cap rate, and as I look for other properties we may personally purchase I come across 20% fairly often. $200,000-$300,000 price range and once all utilities, taxes, insurance, supplies, furnishings, etc are accounted for, you're looking at a 20+ COC return. That's how we are able to have successful STR without dealing with "the Airbnb bust", over saturated, low bookings, and everything else you hear. We watch, wait and run numbers like crazy to find that "perfect" numbers property. I would highly suggest checking out Bill Faeth and Michael Sjogren since they regularly teach this and have used this strategy for years.

 You could just share the address and how do you account for 20% cap rate in Florida condo :) 

This calculation is coming from Evolve, this is few years ago number and after I calculated everything, the number looks to be accurate. The FL condo actual cap rate is only 4%: https://evolve.com/blog/homeow...

Evolve?!? That just explained everything.

Post: Want to try STR arbitrage in Vegas but live in California

Sarah Kensinger
Posted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Ohio
  • Posts 2,235
  • Votes 1,295
Quote from @Richard Elvin:
Quote from @Ashley Richardson:

I'm interested in rental arbitrage and wanted to start off in Vegas since it's a cheaper option than Los Angeles. However when I look up the regulations for Las Vegas I see that it's only allowed if owner occupied.. Is there any way around this or should I give up on Vegas and have an STR somewhere else?


 I think the point about being nearby is that rental arbitrage doesn't provide a lot of cash flow cushion, ie, you may not be able to afford to pay someone to do the small stuff. If you are renting it at ltr rates, then subletting at str rates, are the str rates high enough to pay for utilities, cleaning, maintenance, repairs, etc? What about cash input for furnishing the ltr as an str? 
I'm really curious about how the numbers work out on arbitrage and would love to see a breakdown of this. (Now I'm going to have to research this. Down the rabbit hole I go!)
Do you have numbers you're analyzing? I'm geniunely curious!

If your analyzing numbers, the home needs to return all the cash you put into the property in 6 months. Then the remaining 6 months is profit. So, if the owner doesn't renew the lease, you at least have 6 months profit. The property would need to be in a highly profitable area.

Make sure you make it out the rabbit hole! ;)

Post: STR that looks really good on AirDNA

Sarah Kensinger
Posted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Ohio
  • Posts 2,235
  • Votes 1,295
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Murray Reginald:

Hi BP,

I am looking at a couple beach house properties that looks really good on AirDNA however, AirDNA gave me the following analysis:

Beach House Property:

Annual Revenue - 121.6K

Occupancy Rate   - 88%

Cap Rate - 29.51%


I have another house I see that has the following analysis:


Two Story House Near Beach:

Annual Revenue - 121.6K

Occupancy Rate - 88%

Cap Rate - 29.51%



I've ran some comps on the beach house however, I don't see any 3:1s to compare I only see 4:2s and 2:1s, I'm trying to figure how accurate are these numbers and is there anything else I can do to confirm this will be a good investment since the Beach House has never been on AirBnB/VRBO im wondering how accurate is this information and how did AirDNA come up with those numbers.  


AirDNA is far from accurate. Come on, 30 cap rate doesn't exist even in LTR space. The most reliable way of finding the marketability of STR is checking their future-30-90 days online booking, that's what I found so far.

So, I assume you know STR since your here on this forum. STR cash flow 2-3 times more than an LTR, which is one of the reasons many of us just do short-term over long-term. So, no you won't find a LTR with a 30% cap rate, you can't charge that much a month. But with a STR the monthly income can double or triple if the owner has done proper research of location, market, etc. and the property is managed correctly. We won't' look at a property that is below 20% cap rate and we are part of a large group that does the same practice, it's partly why all of us can do so well. If you have patience and know how to look, there is usually a diamond in the rough.

 If you buy in 2011 then you would get 20 cap rate Lol but not when you purchase in 2023

We're buying this year as well as many in our mastermind....those deals are still very much around!

There is no STR market in 2023 that has two digit cap rate, it is just impossible in math


 Ok when we purchase ours, I'll add it to the review and feedback forum and maybe send some of our mastermind friends to do the same. ;p 


 you can say whatever you want, unless the accounting is cooked or it's in rural area where booking is only few times a year/not sustainable. Double digit Cap rate market in most urban city is simply not available/not possible. Airdna even has writing on this: https://www.airdna.co/blog/you... 

I've been researching STR, the only way you could do double digit cap rate only if:
1. you use the purchase price in 2010 
2. it's somewhere rural that your purchase price is close to zero and rent it for three hundred bucks a month LOL

Good Honest PM like ArrivedHomes for example, is showing with STR, the positive addition of cap rate compare to LTR is only yielding additional 1 percent, so if LTR market is 3%, actual cap rate for STR is 4%. 

Also if one is reading Here PM STR "audited financial report", their actual profit loss statement is negative for all their 2022 properties, even in rural properties it is negative single digit cap rate (bought for 1.5 mil and rent for $400/night with 40% vacancy).

I'm not sure what to say but we almost bought a FL condo that required a bit of "lipstick" work that had 20% cap rate, just directed a client to a home in Ohio that had close to 27% cap rate, and as I look for other properties we may personally purchase I come across 20% fairly often. $200,000-$300,000 price range and once all utilities, taxes, insurance, supplies, furnishings, etc are accounted for, you're looking at a 20%+ COC return. That's how we are able to have successful STR without dealing with "the Airbnb bust", over saturated, low bookings, and everything else you hear. We watch, wait and run numbers like crazy to find that "perfect" numbers property. I would highly suggest checking out Bill Faeth and Michael Sjogren since they regularly teach this and have used this strategy for years.

Post: Sending out financials?

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Yes, that is fairly common...I just requested some myself since our lender is requesting them from the seller.

Post: Interior Designers for STRs?

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I design our own properties and most clients, so I don't have any experience with using a designer. If I remember correctly using a professional design can raise your bookings upwards of 20%, and of course make you stand out from the others. I can recommend some that are very good and actually run their design company like a business. ;) One of them is actually a bit of a stickler for keeping with the timeline so the items picked out don't go out of stock. So, if your more relaxed I would not suggest the last company I listed.

Somerled Design    On Design Interiors    Brianna Michele Interiors

Post: STR that looks really good on AirDNA

Sarah Kensinger
Posted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Ohio
  • Posts 2,235
  • Votes 1,295
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Murray Reginald:

Hi BP,

I am looking at a couple beach house properties that looks really good on AirDNA however, AirDNA gave me the following analysis:

Beach House Property:

Annual Revenue - 121.6K

Occupancy Rate   - 88%

Cap Rate - 29.51%


I have another house I see that has the following analysis:


Two Story House Near Beach:

Annual Revenue - 121.6K

Occupancy Rate - 88%

Cap Rate - 29.51%



I've ran some comps on the beach house however, I don't see any 3:1s to compare I only see 4:2s and 2:1s, I'm trying to figure how accurate are these numbers and is there anything else I can do to confirm this will be a good investment since the Beach House has never been on AirBnB/VRBO im wondering how accurate is this information and how did AirDNA come up with those numbers.  


AirDNA is far from accurate. Come on, 30 cap rate doesn't exist even in LTR space. The most reliable way of finding the marketability of STR is checking their future-30-90 days online booking, that's what I found so far.

So, I assume you know STR since your here on this forum. STR cash flow 2-3 times more than an LTR, which is one of the reasons many of us just do short-term over long-term. So, no you won't find a LTR with a 30% cap rate, you can't charge that much a month. But with a STR the monthly income can double or triple if the owner has done proper research of location, market, etc. and the property is managed correctly. We won't' look at a property that is below 20% cap rate and we are part of a large group that does the same practice, it's partly why all of us can do so well. If you have patience and know how to look, there is usually a diamond in the rough.

 If you buy in 2011 then you would get 20 cap rate Lol but not when you purchase in 2023

We're buying this year as well as many in our mastermind....those deals are still very much around!

There is no STR market in 2023 that has two digit cap rate, it is just impossible in math


 Ok when we purchase ours, I'll add it to the review and feedback forum and maybe send some of our mastermind friends to do the same. ;p