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All Forum Posts by: Christopher Winkler

Christopher Winkler has started 157 posts and replied 831 times.

Post: Joker brokers in note investing

Christopher WinklerPosted
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  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Chris Seveney:

Have you heard the term, a joker broker?

In the note business today it seems like many are looking to make a quick buck and attempt to “broker” a note deal.

If your new to investing, the three key signs to a joker broker are:

3. They want you to close in 72 hours

#3 pretty much sums up every fund that sells retail NPLs, you need to close in 48 hours after you win the bidding frenzy with you footing the bill in advance for expensive DD and you end up losing the bid...

Post: Note investing, all or none?

Christopher WinklerPosted
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Originally posted by @Patrick Desjardins:

My outlook has changed a lot. In the past I would have said go for it, either performing or non performing notes. Good returns, worth learning.

After getting hurt by legal fees and countless mistakes from "professionals" in the industry, I would say stick with performing loans. The knowledge barrier to entry is small and the returns are still very good. NPNs not worth it right now.

I am sad to hear you have had such problems Patrick, we have discussed some of them, though I a preparing my presentation for Noteworthy 2019 this Saturday in Newport Beach and my numbers are 56 non-performing notes purchased personally and with one-off Joint Venture partners in 4 years, 31 worked out for a 34.85% ROI.

When we look at the last 3 years after we switched to Junior liens, we purchased 36 non-performing notes, worked out 15 for a 56.42% ROI. That is why we decided to go big and launch our first Regulation D, Rule 506(c) fund for accredited investors so we can purchase them at better prices and escape the retail bidding wars that have caused most of our bids from last year to not be awarded.

I feel it can only get better with lower lending standards, and foreclosures starting to increase. I hope you can get your mojo back!

Post: Who Pays The Bird Dog?

Christopher WinklerPosted
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  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Quito Keutla:

@Christopher Winkler I personally don't mind paying someone to brings me a buyer for my properties, I consider it as costs of sales, everyone can win in the transaction. I had paid over $30k in fees last year to have someone bring be a qualified buyer for properties I was selling.  Happy Investing!

Quinto, it was a JV and there was a slight loss to the investor, though i think we ended up splitting the fee 50/50 with buyer...

Post: 12th Annual NoteWorthy Investor Summit

Christopher WinklerPosted
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There really is no good catagory for events, so I put it under bootcamp.

I'll be speaking at the 12th Annual NoteWorthy Investor Summit in Newport Beach, CA from March 1-3. 

This event will be solid real estate education. Use coupon code: chris50 for a $50 discount off the event!

Make sure you let me know you are going so we can meet up!

Post: The Note Business May Not Be for You!

Christopher WinklerPosted
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Originally posted by @Andy Mirza:

Good post. I would add that newer investors are attracted to notes because it seems a lot more passive than fix and flips where you might have to go to the property, deal with contractors and rehab, etc. ....... I think that notes are like other industries in that you put in the hard work, gain the experience you need, and THEN it gets easier to make more and more money.

@Andy Mirza, as you know, fixing and flipping a non-performing note is hardly passive. Its like the guy @ the circus spinning a dozen plates on sticks. Imagine that situation for every note you own. Its important to let people intrigued by a note podcast realize unless its paying and passive, its somewhat difficult, though not impossible to do this part-time with a little money, you have to be as creative as Brandon Turner is in his No and low Money Down book. I used a hard money lender and my IRA for my first deal. Since then i have not been able to duplicate that feat, and fees took a nice chunk of profit.

Post: Would you renew a lease on a disrespectful tenant?

Christopher WinklerPosted
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While my first thought is to say no, if she is paying ontime, that's a good tenant. Maybe just raise the rents to the max allowed in the area to help soften the grief factor. and do not give her 6 months same rent. 

Post: What states do you avoid as a note investor

Christopher WinklerPosted
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Originally posted by @Julian Buick:

@Chris Seveney I have considered note investing in Georgia. I'm curious what you mean by licensing requirements?

 Georgia now requires you to get a license to buy & sell mortgages. You can do it thorugh NMLS...

Post: Any Wholesalers closing 2-5 deals a month ?

Christopher WinklerPosted
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  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Tyron White:
@Christopher Winkler In your opinion why would it be a good decision to wholesale ? Who is that typical person that should wholesale ? Because me personally I don't have the credit or the money to go get an investment property that's cash flowing. So out of all the niches this one just seems right for me because of my situation. Unless it's something I don't know

I am no wholesaleing expert, though like the previous poster said, you have to have a lot of skills, marketer, mailing, bandit sign, door knock, meetups, REIA, and educate yourself, ARV for that area, repair costs. Marketing takes money. You have to negoitate with delusional homeowners sometimes, and buyers that don't want to pay more than MAO, maximum allowable offer, 70% of ARV less repairs.

Its possible anywhere, i just could not run a note business AND try to wholesale. It needs 100% attention and you should either partner with another person like you, or with a more experienced flipper/buy & holder who can guide and coach you, and co-invest with yourself. Some great books here on BP on wholesaling, and buying properties with no money down, you just have to be creative. Just saying you can't just send out a couple rounds of post cards and expect to be rich. Like anything, its a marathon, not a sprint. Best of luck to you and Merry Christmas!

Post: Any Wholesalers closing 2-5 deals a month ?

Christopher WinklerPosted
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  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

there are for sure wholesaling companies doing that volume.. but these are for real companies with offices  large marketing budgets 10 to 30k a month type.. a couple of full time agents working for them.. etc etc. 

someone doing this on their own .. with no support some may do that kind of volume but I think that would be rare.

and it really depends on location in the country.. some areas.. were there are still tons of vacant homes wholesaling can be easier but in areas of very strong markets with no vacant homes to speak of pretty tough to do any volume unless you have aforementioned 10 to 30k a month to spend on multiple marketing approachs.  nothing different than being a small real estate company which is what you are.. sans the license.

Pfffffttttttttt! Here in DFW I gave up on counting over 80 wholesalers of all sizes & shapes, and there are several spending up to $75k a month! $30k is chump change! Well, not really, though compared to trying to compete with them in ultra hot DFW, i waived the white flag and went back to what we do best, buying distressed notes & working them out. 

And I love the comment above that its actually the most challenging and hardest part of RE, vs being a flipper or buy/hold. The overhead wholesaling is steep and if you don't have reserves, you will run out of $ quickly trying to get noticed. One of our first mail campaigns resulted in a wholesale deal, and she had a HUGE stack of cards, letters, and offers from everyone under the sun...

Can you squeeze in a toilet & sink in a small area and put in a door? Like next to a utility room that has plumbing in & out? Good luck!!