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Post: Detroit Tarrifs is now the time for a rebirth and new look @ this market

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We don't have the labor to make more things in the US.
We still have about 7.4 million open jobs and vs 7 million unemployed. You can't drive unemployment to zero. Anything under 5% is considered full employment. And we are at 4.1%. So while it sounds great to "bring jobs back" - who is going to do them?
And we also have a qualification problem. A modern auto factory does not require much unskilled labor. Material is moved by automated forklifts, and assembly is either done or assisted by robots to meet TQM standards. Much of what you need are engineers and highly skilled workers. We are already short on both.
I doubt that most of the 40% unemployed men of the inner city of Detroit are a good fit for a modern day manufacturing plant.
The Apple CEO Tim Cook said famously: people think we manufacture in China because labor is cheap. The real reason is they have a vast pool of HIGHLY qualified skilled labor. Video.
I have spent almost 20 years working for a global manufacturer. For any machine that was produced in our US factory and the components needed to assemble the decision was to either fully automate the process to 24/7 production here in the US - or offshore to MX or CHN, the difference being the response time to change orders (6 months vs 6 weeks) due to geographic distance. MX kept us more flexible.
Here is a picture of the BMW plant in Spartenburg, SC and if you want to see the list of jobs they have it's here https://www.bmwgroup.jobs/us/en/location/location-spartanbur...

Why should we care about Apples phones etc. If they aren't going to bring opportunity to Americans to buy a house, provide for a family then they are not a priority, if they go broke "thems the breaks". They can take all the money they are spending sending missiles and weapons all across the world and get the folks in Detroit up to speed for those good jobs Apple has. Americans don't need more technology, we need some good jobs that can create strong communities, towns, neighborhoods etc. And if your business doesn't provide that then your business is not a priority. Am I missing something?
Yes, I think you missed my point. It's not about Apple. The issue is: we have more open jobs than people looking for jobs. In other words: we don't need more jobs. And if we create more jobs, who is going to take them?
And a large portion of the people unemployed today have a qualification problem. Simple manual labor is not a thing anymore. You need automation engineers who can troubleshoot a FANUC 6-axis robot - and not a grunt to do heavy manual labor.
And you are not going to train a 40 year old unskilled laborer to become an engineer. Heck, who would even make the investment to pay for college with only 20 working years left to retirement?
Good jobs to create strong communities" sounds really great, we all want that, I am all for it. But the definition of what a good job looks like has changed. Give it another 3 or 5 years. Machines will be picking your strawberries, because they will do it cheaper, better and also at night.
We can recreate an economy like it was in the 80s with "Good jobs for hard working Americans". Tune back the technology. But the world will move on and the ones who say America is a dying empire will have been right.
I didn't know shoes can be woke, good thing I don't have any Nike lol. I agree that Wallstreet and turbo-capitalism took the wealth from the middle class, but the real question is weather it is feasible for us to on-shore production in a reasonable time, AND get wages up AND keep prices from shooting up so affordability gets better AND redistribute income back to the middle class.
It took as all of the 80s, 90s and 00s to offshore our manufacturing. Moving factories and building supply chains takes decades. Raising a workforce with the right qualifications takes a generation. And the sweatshop China you describe has been rapidly vanishing and is being replaced with hyper modern fully automated facilities.
And you need a very qualified workforce to run them: 1.5 million engineers graduate every year in China, I believe we are just over 100,000
We are asking if we could re-open some of the mothballed factories that was designed to manually assemble a Ford Granada. Meanwhile, BYD is just finishing a car manufacturing plant the size of San Francisco - about 50 square miles large - that will produce a million cars per year. Highly automated factory, not a sweatshop.
And the cars are amazing! I usually drive German SUVs, but every Chinese car I have driven in the last 2 years makes me realize that they are getting ahead in every aspect. For half the price
So, yeah - something has to change. We can't keep importing everything and the only thing we ship the other way is dollar bills. We do this long enough they have all the dollars and we have all the stuff. Then what?
First I think everyone needs to wrap there head around accepting the fundamental fact that the path USA was on only ends 1 way; INSOLVENCY.
That is just a fact. And oddly enough, as much as people burry there head in the sand to it, countless experts have been sounding the alarms on this for literally years.
For years there has been a similar denial culture in South Africa. Friends and family would ask me and wife when back visiting of why don't we move back, why are we "suffering" in USA. And in many ways we were suffering in USA vs the lifestyle we could readily have in South Africa.
But we saw the writing on the wall, the future was certain, we knew what was coming, the reaping of certain actions.
Now, nobody has been able to swim on Durban beach for over a year because of the human waste, YES human feces river literally streaming out 24-7 and nothing being done to the infrastructure.
Load shedding...... Imagine 4-7hrs of electricity a day, or less. Especially when hot.
This is the future of USA if something DRASTIC is not done. The crisis in South Africa didn't happen over a few years, it was decades in the making. Decades of neglect, ignorance, can kicking, avoidance, corruption, fraud and sticking heads in the sand. Until finally the issues rupture so big it's all but impossible to deny the stench, very literally.
I don't think anyone sane is saying it will be easy in USA, but it's NECESSARY.
How fast can it be? I'd argue speed comes from level of necessity. When the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor the USA was half foot into the war, or so it thought it was, and realized it was sooooo far under equipped or ready that it effectively was wholly unequipped or prepared. And the USA panicked BUT panicked with purpose.
In lightning speed, no not decades, the USA built an industrial TITAN of manufacturing that out produced the entire axis forces to a scale of multiplication factors.
It CAN be done. It HAS been done before.
Labor, both skilled and unskilled CAN be trained, in scale, and at lightning speed. It has been done before.
Necessity is the Mother of invention, but also the Father of motivation.
CAN the USA? Well of course it can, it already has, and there was no playbook on how-to back then so absolutely no excuses this time around for "can we".
The question, the question of all questions is; WILL WE.......
The USA culture is still deeply entrenched in denialism. In it's own sense of grandiosity to even conceive it is anything less than the center of the universe and no nation can possibly compete more or less eclipse it. Despite all the facts and reality to the contrary. Still trying to coast on the steam of a generation lost to time.
I do not think those under 45 have any concept of what's at stake.
It's a question of will-power not infrastructure. USA has proven this before. If and when the will-power exists, nothing can't be done. Mountains will be moved, fleet's built, a sleeping giant will awaken.....
Couple thoughts: if you read Ray Dalio you start to get a sense where the US was headed and that's not good. You can't maintain a 1.5T trade deficit forever, we are basically exporting money and then borrow it back. That is a terminal trajectory.
I don't know what the solution should be, but I think that turning a consumption-based economy (70% of GDP) into a production-based economy is no small feat. If it is possible at all!
It took China 30 years to rise, out of brutal necessity, and with massive economic help from the US. We WANTED them to make cheap stuff for us and they were beyond willing to do that. The US is a gigantic consumer and we kept blowing oxygen into that fire for decades and made it the world largest factory. If there would not have been a continuous stream of money from the US (and others) it would not have happened.
Who in the world would want buy US products (at scale) and why?
We would have to produce either better or cheaper.
The car industry makes it painfully clear that we are neither! Heck, it pains me to say, but even the German carmakers have lost that race to the Chinese in the last years on both accounts.
I love the idea of the US coming together for a massive cause and rally, we have to acknowledge that the leap that is required to do so is geometrically larger compared to WW2 efforts.
Yes, you can train a farmboy to weld a crude Normandy-style landing boat in a couple weeks. You can't train an Amazon worker or truck driver to become a robotics engineer, not in a couple years, probably ever.
Here is a list of open jobs from the Tesla website to give you a sense:
Sr. Industrial Engineer, Megapack
Maintenance Planner & Procurement Specialist, Lithium Refinery
5 Axis CNC Machinist, Die Shop
Metallurgical Engineer, Die Shop
Production Planner, Die Shop
Sr. Quality Engineer, Stationary Battery Enclosure, Megapack
Staff Quality Engineer, Megapack
Staff Process Engineer, General Assembly, Megapack
Associate Engineering Manager, Production Control, Megapack
Sr. Process Engineer, Production Control, Megapack
Project Engineer, New Product Introduction, Megapack
Production Engineering Manager, Powder Coat, Megapack
Production Engineering Manager, Module & Power Electronics, Megapack
Production Engineering Manager, Body in White, Megafactory
I love Ray Dalio, he has an amazing talent for communicating wildly intricate, complex things in a way that seems almost simplistic, yet retains all nuances of the details.
FYI, I also graduated in mid 90's. Yes people, I am a Grandpa, several times over. I am very blessed to have blue-zone genes.
The notion that USA was going to be a consumer economy, and that it would some how lead to prosperity was one of, if not THE, greatest con's ever pulled off.
I recall when the entire lunacy of it was announced and championed. It was immediately apparent to me of "how will the nation make $" and that was not an ok opinion to have on it. It felt very Roman-esk, the masses wanted to just enjoy there bread & games....
The concept of an ip economy has well been proven as a spruce goose.
ip has always been, and always will be, the most vulnerable of assets. Easily stolen through a variety of mechanisms. As China has well proven and championed.
I don't blame the Chinese, I don't, if anything I envy them.
I believe the only shot USA and for that matter, the western nations have as a whole, have is a methodical concerted effort and actions to change the social dynamics. The mindsets must shift. Without that, it will all fail.
Americans have to exterminate their social narcissism.
The prevailing word of language must become "WE" replacing me, I, my......
My fear is the history.
Americans have a deep history for action after the fact. Europe burned and burned and burned and only after punched straight in the face at Pearl and a miracle staving off total obliteration in the Pacific did USA shift.
Is that what will be required again? A catastrophe verging on total absolute calamity to bring Americans together as a unified, roll up the sleeve, do what we gotta do "UNUM".
In 1939 the US military was less that than Portugal's..... Under 190k.
In 1940, leading up to Pearl, they jokingly thought they were "prepared" at almost 500k.
Within 12 months of Pearl, over 3 million strong. 24 months later and roughly 8 million.......
In less than 48 months the USA built, from dirt, the biggest most powerful fighting force the world had ever seen.
That includes clothing, housing, feeding, training millions upon millions upon milliions.
Think; how'd they shazam up that many boot's?
How'd they ever find that many dentist's?
How in the heck did they manage to move enough food and water every day for millions upon millions?
The logistics are absolutely mind boggling. And it was achieved in a measurement of weeks and months, not years and decades.
Everything, EVERYTHING had to be built, created to facilitate it all. There was not enough toilet paper in all the nation for those soldiers butt's. They had to grow manufacturing capacity for literally everything at a rate not only never done in the USA, but never done in human history.
I don't know how we can do it again, but WE CAN, we did, we did it because we HAD TO. Failure was not an option.
That mindset lead the way of everything. There was no place for lamenting how hard whatever would be, or how this or that wasn't readily available. A generation of problem solvers, because that was the messaging, that was the requirement expected of everyone, how can you help, what can you solve, what can you do for the greater whole.
"We do these things not because they are easy....."
If that spirit is gone and dead...... Than so is the USA.....
".. but because they are hard!!" - I don't see much of that spirit anymore. Also, not a shining city on the hill anymore. I totally agree with you on what this country can do, the better story than WW2 is probably the rise of NASA.
It used to be a small operation located in Hampton, Virginia with a handful of engineers launching model air planes from the roof top to better understand airfoils. Not that much later the director of NASA listened to Kennedy's speech on a flight to DC and that's how he found out that we are going to the moon by the end of the decade.
James Webb got handed a blank checkbook, they hired 17,000 engineers in a matter of months while they were still figuring out where to actually put them - because the necessary office buildings had to be constructed, actually they had not bought the land yet and were still debating where in the country it should be.. totally insane story!!
I have a deep love for who America was back then, how presidents used to be and how the world used to look up to the US as a role model to stand for what's right and just. I love the presidential debate between Kennedy and Nixon, while they disagreed completely on how to do it, they totally agreed on the objective and debated with a lot of respect for each other.
Today I woke up to the news that the president of the United States proclaims that "world leaders are lining up to kiss his ***".
ya Trumps bedside manner is more like a longshoremen than a politician.. :)
Post: RAD Diversified SCAM ALERT!!!

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My point is simple—there’s no need for Stuart to publicly criticize those who invested. Fear isn’t what drives me, and it won’t hold me back. I suspect I’m not alone in that.
@Stuart Udis keep in mind ( I see your new at posting) one of the benefits to the community is discussing these investments in detail good or bad.. This will protect the next investor or at least get them thinking about doing deeper due diligence etc.. So for me I appreciate you sharing your details on this investment.. I started off on the thread thinking maybe the investors were just over reacting but as its played out sounds like a company that made some major mistakes
Post: RAD Diversified SCAM ALERT!!!

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I get where you're coming from, but you're making a lot of assumptions that simply don’t apply to me. I evaluated the deal like I would any other—based on cash flow, collateral, and real estate fundamentals. It wasn't about hype or blind faith—it was a calculated decision based on what I knew at the time and the information I was given.
I’m also not claiming definitively that it was a Ponzi. I’ve said from the beginning that I’m open to hearing legitimate explanations. But the lack of transparency, the evasion, and refusal to provide basic financials isn’t just poor management—it raises red flags. If this were simply bad operations, you’d expect mistakes and maybe poor judgment—not radio silence and avoidance.
Your statement about “if it looks too good to be true, it probably is” doesn’t help anyone who’s already lost their retirement savings—no matter how dumb you think they were. That kind of blanket cynicism isn’t useful when real people are facing real consequences.
As far as outsized returns and “even the best operators” not delivering them—let me offer a real scenario. I currently have an RV park under contract for $875,000. I’m putting $375,000 down in hard money, with $500,000 in seller financing. With some expansion and strategic improvements—adding spaces and raising rents—I expect the park could be worth close to $3 million. A friend is helping with the improvements and will be paid at exit. That’s an infinite return on my investment. It’s not theoretical—it’s executable. And if I can structure a deal like that, others can too.
its not a passive deal you doing the deal as an operator HUGE difference.. Every operator who uses OPM has infinite returns.. they earn it by doing it.. However to Stuarts point to do it as a limited partner is not reality.. Assuming your getting what you call hard money from a firm or an investor they are not going to get an infinite return at least usually they would get an interest rate return.. either way though sounds like winner good luck with it.
Post: Trump Policies Will Put Downward Pressure on Real Estate Rents/Prices

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I think this is a good push. I'll give two putbacks to my prior analysis:
1) The yield curve could invert, and the market brace, for even two years, if Trump credibly brings a candidate for Fed Chair who will lower rates regardless of what inflation data reads, or the markets expect to be extremely dovish. Even if the current Fed keeps raising rates, this will result in the yield curve inverting again, in anticipation of the new Fed Chair changing things. I think that Jay Powell has thoroughly proven that he has no political allegiance, and is singularly focused on attempting to remedy the massive err made in 2021, and that he has, actually, done the least bad job by a central banker in the world from 2022 to 2025 (*hot take!).
2) If Trump removes the threat of tariffs, inflation will stop, and he can do this immediately and at any time.
This only somewhat addresses the points in your take, which I completely respect, but also respectfully disagree with.
I believe that inflation already picked up on the threat of tariffs, and it immediately changed some firm's behavior in pushing up prices for goods and materials that might be affected.
I believe that, excluding "immediate deportations" of folks who cross the border and are immediately sent back, that the impact of deportations is small, and is largely isolated to the deportation of convicted criminals in jail or prison in mostly red states. I would be willing to bet on a version of that, and will, in effect, through my real estate purchases this year.
Also - to be clear, I am not arguing that the policies will be "good" or "bad" in a more general sense for Americans. Just that I believe that they tend towards an inflationary effect on non-housing goods and services, and a slightly deflationary effect on housing by reducing demand for housing.
Trump’s economic policies will trigger a deep recession. Prices/rents will go down in real terms, and possibly nominal terms as well.
Not there, yet. But awfully close.
the correct way to emphasize tariffs was not 50% of trade indifference but shaped 10% tariffs on neutral needs, 0% on inelastic needs and 25% on elastic goods. With a slow, but emerging threat of increase if people don't come to the table to talk. Each country's three categories needed to be tapered to hit them hard. So not 25% on everything elastic. Example alcohol from France: make that 40%, make vinegar 10%.
Prior to implementation the need to create infrastructure and financial support for foreign companies to come here. Some incentive, maybe dupe them to do it by offering some variable nonsense like subprime.
We all know why they don't come here; they stay there for their jobs necessary to remain as a relevant country, for their GDP, and for their needs and protect proprietary information.
Only America goes to other countries like full blown misguided "capitalists". To me, borders on a retarded strategy. Market share is a force if you lose control of the market I digress though.
@Alan F. copper has a 90 day lock, because go check 1yr chart . I cannot post due to technology incompetence right now. It's down trend, they're betting on it going down; how you hedge is important.
"the correct way to emphasize tariffs was not 50% of trade indifference but shaped 10% tariffs on neutral needs, 0% on inelastic needs and 25% on elastic goods."
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That's not the formula Trump used. He took the trade deficit, subtracted it from the value of the goods imported from the other country, calculated the percentage, and then divided that percentage by 2. The result was the amount of the tariff.
Any economist will tell you it is complete, total, and utter, nonsense.
Trump’s tariff scheme is economically, financially, and politically, incoherent. The worst part is that he has destroyed America’s reputation for reliability. Of all of those factors, the loss of reliability will be the most expensive. The dollar will lose its reserve currency status.
See below article today on Canadian lumber.. Keep in mind when I was in the timber business in the 90s ( log supplier I bought and sold logs and timber land) . This article describes exactly the same thing that was happening in those days.. Nothing new.. Keep in Mind Warehouser is one of the largest Producers of lumber in British Columbia so they make it either way being the largest in the US as well...
I have no doubt our NW forests if put back into production and CA could fill the gap or most all of the gap.. Also keep in mind a lot of our pine is shipped in from New Zealand. Federal regulations in the 80s with spotted Owl and Marbel Murilet locked up millions of acres of mature US forests.
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The U.S. Lumber Coalition, an alliance of softwood lumber producers, maintains that Canada is causing “egregious harm” to the U.S. timber industry through its dumping and subsidies practices. The coalition also claims that its members could, over time, supply all the softwood lumber needed in the U.S.
“These unfair trade practices are designed by Canada to maintain an artificially inflated U.S. market share for Canadian products and force U.S. companies to curtail production, thereby killing U.S. jobs,” stated Andrew Miller, owner and chairman of Stimson Lumber Co. and chairman of the U.S. Lumber Coalition. "
Stimson is a Portland based company .. I sold them one of my Tree farms a few years back..
Post: Why is Lennar—the largest homebuilder in America—still not building in Columbus, Ohio

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back in 2004 or so when one of my business's was a retail brokerage. I sold a few subdivisions in Portland Metro and Vancouver that were purpose build to rent.
U dont see it anymore at least I dont.. land is too expensive. U would need rents to be in the 5k range to make any kind of sense of it and right now rents ceiling in that kind of setting at lest in the PDX metro is about 3k .. U might find a few one offs in starter home development.
But thats about it. the project i just funded over in Bend is 140 townhouses that will go retail thats starter housing in that market.. And then the parcel next to it Lennars MF arm is developing it with 300 apartments..
Apartment building in the Portland proper has ground to a halt.. The city a few years ago now requires about 20 or 25% of the doors to be low income units.. private sector wont do that not when it cost 400k or so to build one apartment.
Post: RAD Diversified SCAM ALERT!!!

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A. Foothills Deal – Lack of Business Plan & Risk of Dilution
- How it was sold to investors:
- Promised 8x-15x returns in 3-4 years.
- Purchase price was $1,430,000 with $500,000 set aside for planning.
I've generally been sympathetic to those who invested in RAD and similar companies who use social media and conventions to raise capital in such small amounts where running normal diligence is too costly of an endeavor. However, when I see LP's post this, all I can do is shake my head in disbelief. For anyone looking to invest as an LP, if its too good to be true, chances are it is. If someone approaches you with an investment opportunity that "promises" this type of return profile, run! I don't even have to look at the underlying investment to know this is trouble. Perhaps if this was an investment in tech or life sciences where there is the possibility of an IPO you can generate this type of return but real estate does not yield these kinds of returns & anyone looking for these types of returns is investing in the wrong asset class.
my current project which is about as good as we could do for 90 home project will turn out to be 2X in 3.5 years with return higher as principal came back starting in the first year and continue until built out.. when its all done I guess I might run it through a spread sheet to see what the IRR was.. 8 to 15X is like you said a leverage stock type deal. not RE development
Post: Failed Leadership is why California is on fire.

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Oh god... just stop.
CA didnt send any help to TN/NC??.... oh please
CA ran out of water...... do you have ANY clue what kind of water delivery system would be needed to handle multiple wild fires of this magnitude?.... with 50-80 mph winds? NOT POSSIBLE.... NOT A SINGLE state has a water delivery system to combat fires and condition's of this magnitude
Stop listening to all the blatant misinformation being dumped in SM and certain "news" stations....99% of it is complete BS and been disproven, but the lies just keep spreading as "fact"
Give me a F'in break....... now all the RE experts are fire management experts
"CA ran out of water...... do you have ANY clue what kind of water delivery system would be needed to handle multiple wild fires of this magnitude?...."
Yeah, I do.
The empty ones already in place in CA, neglected to, ya know, have water in em.
Hey, how about that genius move to turn OFF the power, including to the water pumps. Has CA never heard of generators? Did nobody ever stop and say "oh, hey, maybe we should keep water pumps going because, ya know, no electricity no water pumping, NO WATER".
Ran out of water, LMAO. That's the drunk driver saying the car just wouldn't drive straight.
its common practice at least in northern CA to turn off power to the whole grid when they are getting hot dry windy weather.. if you look @Brian Burke post those fires that wiped out so many in Sonoma Napa and Lake Counties were generally caused by downed hot power lines and PGE was sued and I think lost billion or multi billion dollar law suit.. I like Brian lived in the same area as him for most of my life and these fires were about a once every 20 year event.
with some whoppers back in 1980 to 1985 big ones in Lake co and Atlas peak in Napa went up mid 80s.. but there were not as many homes in the areas.. The one where Brian lived what was unique is it got down into the flat land and burned up subdivision homes which is still pretty rare.
So thats why the power gets turned off.
I totally get that.
What baffles me is in a fire zone, where it's a normalized thing to need to turn off power grid for safety sake of fires, is there really nobody who thought of having generators at the water lift stations?
I mean, come-on, that's rather obvious isn't it?
You need water to fight fires. Need pumps to keep water going. Seems rather obvious to have backup power generation given a policy to turn power off in fire risk instances.
There was the 1 guy in the middle of the fires who stayed and saved I don't know how many homes, several, because he ran around with a dang garden hose. I am betting via a home generator and a well. 1 old man and a garden hose.....
So yeah, I question what could have been if someone put there thinking cap on and took a mobile generator to the lift stations so the hydrants would have had water.......
not sure if you have ever been at or around some of these CA wild fires.. but they move very quickly faster than can run.. so thinking you can station folks at pump stations may work in certain locations but in others they would get over run and killed.
The real issue is building in fire prone areas.. it just is what it is.. Keep in mind Indians 500 years ago did their own control burns or when lightening started a fire it went on for long time. And that controlled the brush .. LA is basically brush fires NOT forest fires.. N> CA has forest fires Oregon has forest fires WA has forest fires etc. LA Brush and that stuff is highly combustable.
They don't need to station people there.
Just when know the powers going down, ok, get a generator out to lift station, plug it in, turn it on and walk away.
We have these all over the place in MN. A big-ole Generac just sitting there at lift station.
Most of our lift stations are in the ground, so all one sees is a concrete slab, metal cover, and a big Generac box on part of the slab.
And it's for that exact reason, if power goes down something has to power the water pump so there is water pressure still.
Every city has staff who fiddles with electricity, so even not having thought through the common sense before hand to have this in place, knowing power was going off someone should have said "hey, we need power to pump the water or were gonna be fkd".
And whatever lift station was still safe, which I can't imagine they turn off power seconds before the flames engulf the lines, they anticipate, so CalFire, the city etc. could have also anticipated, got any trailer generator, tooled it over, rigged it up to connect it, turn on and leave.
I guarantee at the city services they have a number of these trailer generators just sitting there. Or go to a rental center and allocate them.
No effort was made on leadership part. They expected firefighters to use what, nasty looks to put out the fires once water stopped?
There was no way they could cut a fire line in that time, on those hills, with the way everything was. That's like asking em to go stand in a 35 degree hill of gasoline rags as flames approached and try to clear it.
Water was the only chance, to knock down embers in areas as they started jump fires. That's how the old man and his son did it.
U put those generators out there and they will be stolen LOL..
Post: Failed Leadership is why California is on fire.

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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Ned J.:
Oh god... just stop.
CA didnt send any help to TN/NC??.... oh please
CA ran out of water...... do you have ANY clue what kind of water delivery system would be needed to handle multiple wild fires of this magnitude?.... with 50-80 mph winds? NOT POSSIBLE.... NOT A SINGLE state has a water delivery system to combat fires and condition's of this magnitude
Stop listening to all the blatant misinformation being dumped in SM and certain "news" stations....99% of it is complete BS and been disproven, but the lies just keep spreading as "fact"
Give me a F'in break....... now all the RE experts are fire management experts
"CA ran out of water...... do you have ANY clue what kind of water delivery system would be needed to handle multiple wild fires of this magnitude?...."
Yeah, I do.
The empty ones already in place in CA, neglected to, ya know, have water in em.
Hey, how about that genius move to turn OFF the power, including to the water pumps. Has CA never heard of generators? Did nobody ever stop and say "oh, hey, maybe we should keep water pumps going because, ya know, no electricity no water pumping, NO WATER".
Ran out of water, LMAO. That's the drunk driver saying the car just wouldn't drive straight.
its common practice at least in northern CA to turn off power to the whole grid when they are getting hot dry windy weather.. if you look @Brian Burke post those fires that wiped out so many in Sonoma Napa and Lake Counties were generally caused by downed hot power lines and PGE was sued and I think lost billion or multi billion dollar law suit.. I like Brian lived in the same area as him for most of my life and these fires were about a once every 20 year event.
with some whoppers back in 1980 to 1985 big ones in Lake co and Atlas peak in Napa went up mid 80s.. but there were not as many homes in the areas.. The one where Brian lived what was unique is it got down into the flat land and burned up subdivision homes which is still pretty rare.
So thats why the power gets turned off.
I totally get that.
What baffles me is in a fire zone, where it's a normalized thing to need to turn off power grid for safety sake of fires, is there really nobody who thought of having generators at the water lift stations?
I mean, come-on, that's rather obvious isn't it?
You need water to fight fires. Need pumps to keep water going. Seems rather obvious to have backup power generation given a policy to turn power off in fire risk instances.
There was the 1 guy in the middle of the fires who stayed and saved I don't know how many homes, several, because he ran around with a dang garden hose. I am betting via a home generator and a well. 1 old man and a garden hose.....
So yeah, I question what could have been if someone put there thinking cap on and took a mobile generator to the lift stations so the hydrants would have had water.......
not sure if you have ever been at or around some of these CA wild fires.. but they move very quickly faster than can run.. so thinking you can station folks at pump stations may work in certain locations but in others they would get over run and killed.
The real issue is building in fire prone areas.. it just is what it is.. Keep in mind Indians 500 years ago did their own control burns or when lightening started a fire it went on for long time. And that controlled the brush .. LA is basically brush fires NOT forest fires.. N> CA has forest fires Oregon has forest fires WA has forest fires etc. LA Brush and that stuff is highly combustable.
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Well team Jay says there is no such thing as lender paid mortgage insurance on a private loan there is PMI that borrower pays on Fha type loans.
Also quick view of the website shows they advertise making VA and FHA loans.. But have no state or NMLS license on the front page of their website this a dead give away as that is required by law and any legit lender is going to hang their license where its suppose to be.
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what is LPMI.. is this transactional funding.. if thats what you need look up Mr. Dinkel he is real.
in a hurry and up front fees is usually a very big fat red flag. but again what is LPMI ?