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Post: Down Payment Funding

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Quote from @Amarri Persley:
Quote from @Mike Grudzien:
Have you purchased the property already?
How much "skin in the game" do you have?
Great questions I’m currently under contract on the property with closing lined up once I finalize the gap funding. The hard money lender has already approved $152,200, which includes the full rehab budget and most of the purchase price.
On my side, I’ve got skin in the game through holding costs and I’m personally guaranteeing the hard money loan. I’ll also be managing the rehab directly with my contractor team, so I’m fully committed to getting this project completed on time and on budget.
The numbers are strong with plenty of margin — purchase + rehab = $186k vs. ARV of $235k leaving projected profit in the $30k range.
I see this math all the time.. I fear your 30k is going to turn into 10k or break even
my math would be
235k exit 10% for sales commish and buyer credits ( almost always need buyer credits at these price points) interest on HML and gap funder for 6 month hold 15k or so. Utls prop taxs and closing costs to title company on the resale 5k
so 235 ( 23,500) (15,000) (5,000) = 43,500 235k - 43,500 = 191,500 - 186,000 = Total Profit of 5,500.00
Now if you sell it yourself with no commish and no seller credits you can get to the 30k.. but that is rare in the extreme in most markets.. I fund these deals for a living and have been for 40 plus years.. this is what I see the numbers shaking out time and again.. 186k all in needs an exit at 250k to ensure some profit.. Unless your 186k is including the 15k in gap and HML fees and rates . U may want to explain this in more detail if your going to get an investor to take the huge amount of risk being behind a HML .. Just sayin.
Post: Down Payment Funding

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I can see if we can get you funded. We fund in 3 days, rates as low as 5%, terms are 3,5,7 years with no prepayment penalty. Let's connect
these terms are not real.. OP be careful of upfront money and getting taken advantage of.
Post: Does risking 90% to 100% of your investment with passive investing make sense?

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Jim, just to play devils advocate rental houses that are fully levered folks can and do lose all their money the bank wont lose it all but the investors certain can and do.
This is very true, Jay. Over the years I've bought well over a hundred houses at foreclosure auctions that were rentals when I purchased them. The foreclosed-out owner/landlords were 100% wiped out--and I'm not talking just in the GFC. In those days even lenders were taking major haircuts in addition to wiped out landlords.
YUp and I became proud owner of about 250 sfr's between 09 and 2011 in 5 states from land lords I lent money to and they failed..And I did not give anyone of them any money I either got deed in lu or I had to foreclose out the second lien position or contractor liens. The idea that Any real estate that has normal cash flow type debt I E 70% LTV loan is immune from owner being wiped out is simply NOT TRUE.. Only folks that I saw make it through the melt down were very well position investors ( many of mine have or had zero debt) or massive equity and RESERVES.. this does not describe the average SFR investor especially those starting out.. those starting out with maybe 50k down and 50 in reserves can and do get wiped out quite frequently.
Not really JIM think about it the Max debt SFR buyer only putting 20% down gets a bad tenant house would sell for even what they owe on it.. YOU know you see them everyday.. they are wholesaler bait as well.. Poof your down payment is gone and your cutting a check to make sure you fico does not get crushed then of course you have to claim recapture and pay more money.
Post: DSCR Loans Will Default

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If it sounds good or true, he usually is. And why lenders really don't care.
I think this video is a bit exaggerated. You have to also consider that not every investor is buying properties with an exact 1.00 ratio or at a high LTV. Additionally, I am finding that many DSCR lenders are now starting to require you show 12 months of mortgage payment history on other REO you own. Not to mention many DSCR lenders have strict reserve requirements which range anywhere from 3-12 months depending on the DSCR.
Yes there are some lenders that break and bend the rules a bit with looser requirements, however the borrower will typically need to come in with a higher downpayment.
my clients use DSCR to take out my interim BRRR funding and for SURE things have tightened up in the underwriting aspect.. I also have one client who is in the process of losing about 40 properties that I funded for him and he got a DSCR loan to pay me off.. He has failed as a landlord and Poof they are all going by by through Deed in Lu or foreclosures if there is junior debt etc etc.
C B which were probably more like D and C.. absentee landlord..
Post: Does risking 90% to 100% of your investment with passive investing make sense?

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Quote from @Brian Burke:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Jim, just to play devils advocate rental houses that are fully levered folks can and do lose all their money the bank wont lose it all but the investors certain can and do.
This is very true, Jay. Over the years I've bought well over a hundred houses at foreclosure auctions that were rentals when I purchased them. The foreclosed-out owner/landlords were 100% wiped out--and I'm not talking just in the GFC. In those days even lenders were taking major haircuts in addition to wiped out landlords.
YUp and I became proud owner of about 250 sfr's between 09 and 2011 in 5 states from land lords I lent money to and they failed..And I did not give anyone of them any money I either got deed in lu or I had to foreclose out the second lien position or contractor liens. The idea that Any real estate that has normal cash flow type debt I E 70% LTV loan is immune from owner being wiped out is simply NOT TRUE.. Only folks that I saw make it through the melt down were very well position investors ( many of mine have or had zero debt) or massive equity and RESERVES.. this does not describe the average SFR investor especially those starting out.. those starting out with maybe 50k down and 50 in reserves can and do get wiped out quite frequently.
Post: Does risking 90% to 100% of your investment with passive investing make sense?

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@Bryn Kaufman this is one of the more transparent posts I've seen in a while. I commend you for acknowledging the things you could have done better. That is something all of us need to do more often in our investing journey is take ownership of our mistakes, but most importantly to learn from our mistakes to become better investors in the future. Anyone who is successful has their scars from past investments gone wrong. I know I most certainly do, and I have also lost all my money in syndications that went belly up, even after years of receiving interest payments as if all was well.
I think the big take away from this is that investors need to actually understand the risk of syndications, which absolutely is the potential to lose all your capital. IMO, the attractive IRR potential is not worth the risk of tying up your money for years with no access and potential to lose some or all of your capital invested. That is why I always recommend buying physical real estate that you 100% own and control. Yes, all forms of real estate can come with their own challenges and you can lose money on houses as well, but at least you have 100% control and it's very difficult to lose all of your money. Generally speaking with a typical rental home, if you hold it long enough, you usually come out okay even if you have some turbulence with tenants or repairs in the short term. As one of my mentors used to say, time heals all wounds when you buy and hold a rental property in a good market.
@James Wise thank you for pointing out how we deal with issues that arise, which is head on and public. This is investing and things don't always go according to plan. It would be foolish to think it does, but whenever an issue arises we do our best to help navigate the situation with the client (as long as they are professional and reasonable). I do think we have a good batting average for success with our investors. Mainly because of what I mentioned earlier, investing in a new construction SFR in a good market. It may not be the sexiest form of investing and it may not be 100% passive, but it's proven way to build wealth for over a century!
Yea people get all caught up in stuff and often forget how simple rental property investing can actually be. Like it's literally almost impossible to lose 100% of your money if you buy a house and put some tenants in it. We should all know this by now. And if you go another route with your money that is fine, but the risks are real.
Jim, just to play devils advocate rental houses that are fully levered folks can and do lose all their money the bank wont lose it all but the investors certain can and do.. again careful who you choose to work with like @Brian Burke is talking about.. I invested in one of Brians deals that was a little bit of a departure for what they do and I understood the risks.. And it did not work as planned but Brian did for me what he did for the other person and the rest of us in the investment he made sure we at least got our principal back so we could live to invest another day.. And I have personally been in deals with Zach where he did the same thing he put up his own money to make sure his investors got a square deal.. As an investor I realize these guys went above and beyond what was a contractual obligation.
Post: Pending changes to Section 8?

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Looks like there could be pending restrictions to section 8 housing potentially limiting recipients to only 2 years. This was a rental strategy discussed on multiple podcasts and was being pushed hard by real estate influencers. Do you think this change could reduce the demand for section 8 housing? Would it still be wise to invest in lower priced houses prime for this residency as the need for low cost housing will still be present after the subsidy ends?
Section 8 ain't going anywhere. Handouts to the poors ain't going anywhere. Handouts are currency for votes. There will always be politicians ready to push them to get into and stay into office. This is America, follow the money and the power.
my thought is you would have anarchy but we are seeing it with food stamps in certain markets those receiving them as a way of life and multi generational.. cant buy junk food soda and sugar snacks and there is some shock to the system for those mothers who were baby factories.
They trade the food stamps for smokes and alcohol. We see it all the time at our building. SNAP/WICK/ETC. should be limited to only real food. The fraud is rampant. No one seems to care, and all of us pay for it.
at least with food stamps that worm is turning. its a sad commentary to their lifestyles its just systemic and what they know .. And then their kids learn the same routine and just a never ending cycle. I had over 100 sfr's in Jackson MS and 98 were section 8 single mothers multiple baby daddys etc etc.. your right though some were neat and clean and respectful etc.. But that just is not the majority and those that preach get rich on Section 8 thats a pretty misleading thought process.. I no longer have tons of SFR rentals but the ones I do and with all the rules the one rule that still applys is you can ( at least out this way) require a certain fico score and I make mine 700 plus.. might take a month or two to find that tenant who qualifies but then my experience is they are of homeowner quality. never miss dont tear up the house not calling all the time.. We dont carry any debt though on our SFRs so its easy for us to let one till i get the right tenant.. But I can see spread sheet return junkies freaking out about two months of non payments LOL
Yep. We've had a tenant ask for another unit for their daughter. She just turned 18 and she's on Section 8. What do you know, she's a single parent too. We now require, on most around 660 credit score. The average credit score for a Section 8 around here 8 is below 500, so it screens most of them out.
They really are an embarrassment for society. A person who came from low income and gov't assistance, my parents worked their best to get us off and out of the programs. It took some time, but they got us out of the system. It was hard, no doubt, but it also ingrained in me not to fall down that rabbit hole.
If a Section 8 tenant is really disabled, that's one thing. However, the majority are not. They are just taking advantage of the system.
one reason I have moved to small commerical buildings that I rent to doctors offices :) and or frankly we just rent our money out and collect payments still have some issues with teh volume we do nothing is perfect but we do skip the tenant drama.. also had a MTR in Vegas that worked really well.. charge double rent 700 plus fico and up until the last tenant everything was fine we had some issues with the last one but we are past it now..
Post: Pending changes to Section 8?

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Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Matt Miller:
Looks like there could be pending restrictions to section 8 housing potentially limiting recipients to only 2 years. This was a rental strategy discussed on multiple podcasts and was being pushed hard by real estate influencers. Do you think this change could reduce the demand for section 8 housing? Would it still be wise to invest in lower priced houses prime for this residency as the need for low cost housing will still be present after the subsidy ends?
Section 8 ain't going anywhere. Handouts to the poors ain't going anywhere. Handouts are currency for votes. There will always be politicians ready to push them to get into and stay into office. This is America, follow the money and the power.
my thought is you would have anarchy but we are seeing it with food stamps in certain markets those receiving them as a way of life and multi generational.. cant buy junk food soda and sugar snacks and there is some shock to the system for those mothers who were baby factories.
They trade the food stamps for smokes and alcohol. We see it all the time at our building. SNAP/WICK/ETC. should be limited to only real food. The fraud is rampant. No one seems to care, and all of us pay for it.
at least with food stamps that worm is turning. its a sad commentary to their lifestyles its just systemic and what they know .. And then their kids learn the same routine and just a never ending cycle. I had over 100 sfr's in Jackson MS and 98 were section 8 single mothers multiple baby daddys etc etc.. your right though some were neat and clean and respectful etc.. But that just is not the majority and those that preach get rich on Section 8 thats a pretty misleading thought process.. I no longer have tons of SFR rentals but the ones I do and with all the rules the one rule that still applys is you can ( at least out this way) require a certain fico score and I make mine 700 plus.. might take a month or two to find that tenant who qualifies but then my experience is they are of homeowner quality. never miss dont tear up the house not calling all the time.. We dont carry any debt though on our SFRs so its easy for us to let one till i get the right tenant.. But I can see spread sheet return junkies freaking out about two months of non payments LOL
Post: Does risking 90% to 100% of your investment with passive investing make sense?

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Is there a big Open Door Capital investment that went down the tubes? Or are we just speaking hypothetically based upon the disclaimer verbiage that is in the PPM?
not down the tubes from what I have seen just struggling .. sending out capital call letters stating if they dont raise money then the investment is going to fail and yes you will lose 100% of your money and what from others have posted on BP its not just one of their syndications its many of them. .. as we know quite common today with many syndicators that were on BP .. Ashcroft has been mentioned.. Not sure how Leybovich is doing in PHX .. you had that dude Lane kawakoa from hawaii and Brian from Praxis was able to determine the subject syndicaiton that he put together did fail and the property reverted to the bank with 100% wipe out to the equity investors.. And then you have all those students of the how to syndicate guru's I can just imagine how many of them have turned turtle. this is a tough bizz all the way around any of us myself included are going to have deals that dont work.. hopefully though its not complete wipe out like whats happening in the space.
Brutal......A few weeks ago I had some turd from Brandon's company contacting me about some of my properties, said he was the acquisition manager or something of that sort, I talked to him for a little but out of respect for Brandon but I could tell the kid had no idea what he was doing.
It's a shame Brandon made his name here on this site and he doesn't come back onto the forums and discuss all of these issues with these people, like damn bro, you were literally the face of this company for like 10 years and you can't even address investors loosing all their money on the very site that made you a household name. Brutal.
Its the age old Motto NEXT . BP is unforgiving for those in the RE space using it to advertise their product.. As we know not every deal works not every rental works not every section 8 tenant pays and keeps house great.. etc etc.. There are a few on here that do a good job interacting with those that come to bP to complain.. IE Chris Clothier.. Zach at RTR and a few others .. but generally speaking others either wont engage on BP when anything negative comes up like it appears is happening with most all the syndicators that were on BP raising money for their deals. We dont see Norada post anymore Open door I have not seen anything Ashcroft nothing lane Kawaka I do still see post but mainly new deals I dont see Ask Ben but I dont know how his deals turned out I suspect if they were great we would hear about it..etc etc
Well, you and Brian also operate in an honorable fashion. Down here in the trenches.
thank you for that.. However I am the first to admit that this is tough and we have all had bummers that did not work.. its the nature of the higher risk RE field.. even low risk can have issues when market goes against you. One just hopes to have more write on's then write off's :)
Post: Pending changes to Section 8?

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Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Matt Miller:
Looks like there could be pending restrictions to section 8 housing potentially limiting recipients to only 2 years. This was a rental strategy discussed on multiple podcasts and was being pushed hard by real estate influencers. Do you think this change could reduce the demand for section 8 housing? Would it still be wise to invest in lower priced houses prime for this residency as the need for low cost housing will still be present after the subsidy ends?
Section 8 ain't going anywhere. Handouts to the poors ain't going anywhere. Handouts are currency for votes. There will always be politicians ready to push them to get into and stay into office. This is America, follow the money and the power.
my thought is you would have anarchy but we are seeing it with food stamps in certain markets those receiving them as a way of life and multi generational.. cant buy junk food soda and sugar snacks and there is some shock to the system for those mothers who were baby factories.
Yea, but again, this is America. We don't go more than 8 years in one direction or another. Go red for 8 years and they pullback on some of the stuff. Then we switch back to blue and expand it again. Gonna be doing this flip flopping for the next 1,000 years.
that's what the Germans thought 1000 years .. The way we are going we will be lucky to make it 200 more years without something wiping us all out..