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JD Martin has started 67 posts and replied 9672 times.

Post: Have we largely become a Huckster Economy?

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I have been thinking about this for a while, and I was listening to a podcast tonight while I was in the shower and it just kind of brought it around to this thread. 

Today, it seems to me, at least in the US, there is a greater proportion of "huckster-ism" in our economy and in the ambitions of the population than in any time that I can remember (I'm half a decade from 60) in my life. I see and hear signs of this everywhere I look, and I like to think it's not just because I'm looking for it.

I'm no pollyanna. I know in any economic system, especially a capitalistic one, there will always be some proportion of people & businesses that don't deal or create anything of any real value. But today I see more of this than I can ever remember in the past, and I see it everywhere. Multitudes of people on BP looking to become rich on real estate by "wholesaling" or "rental arbitrage", essentially folks with no money or assets looking to punch their golden ticket. Dubious, or no value, real estate training courses, books, seminars, etc by people who often have less experience than the people they're "teaching". Syndications that hawk unreasonable returns and unbelievable risks while raking in chunks of fees for the syndicators, sometimes people who have almost no experience or knowledge in the products they're selling. 

And that's just what I see on BP. I see it everywhere. I have a grandson who aspires to make his fortune as an "influencer". Making money by getting people to follow his channel, where the only real monetization is due to the fact that legitimate businesses are willing to pay advertising money to place ads where eyeballs will see them. A lot of his friends think that getting a "real job" or creating a "real business" is for chumps. Why would you want to work a real job and save your money when you can do stupid stuff on Youtube, hawk junk products and try to get free AirBnb stays? 

Today it seems to me that everyone wants to make their money by being some kind of middleman, syphoning money off the interface. When I tell people about the hard work and long hours it took to rehab all the houses in our portfolio, they look at me like I have 3 heads. We created value by rehabilitating dilapidated housing and renting it out to people in need of quality homes to rent at reasonable prices. It wasn't rocket science. When I was a kid people created businesses by purchasing property and building homes, or renting out space and creating a nice restaurant, things like that. Hucksterism was Amway and Tupperware parties, but everyone knew it. Bringing this back to the podcast, the entire thing consisted of a guest telling people to figure out ways to sell repackaged information to people and generate advertising dollars, which the podcast itself was generating by appealing to people's get rich quick bias. 

I'm no Luudite, and I know there's still plenty of things of value being created out there (even if I dislike some of it like AI), but I just find it disturbing to think that a lot of economic activity is just selling nonsense to each other rather than creating products or services of real value. 

I'm going to link some people here because I know they'll have smart things to say. And generate some responses here as well. Hey, maybe I can get paid per click from this thread! 😂

@Russell Brazil @Jay Hinrichs @James Wise @Chris Seveney @Don Konipol @James Hamling @Bruce Woodruff @Scott Trench @Jonathan Greene @Shiloh Lundahl @Steve Vaughan  and if I left you off this list it might be because I just couldn't get you tagged properly :)

Post: BiggerPockets Crooks, Scammers, Deviants, Fake Identities & Con Artists

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Quote from @Ryan Arth:

Yeah it seems like if you get kicked off BP all posts should be removed. It's just easier for them than possibly allowing something left out that could be questionable, from someone who obviously broke the rules. For example, people could see an old comment from Bob Prisco/Stevens and find him and it could possible not go so well for them. 

I'm sure BP doesn't have liability in that scenario, but it's good community service, since they themselves banned the person.  

And like Matt Motil is going to prison, but was never kicked off of BP, so his profile is still active. So that's another scenario. 

 It's not easy to remove posted content that way. When an individual is banned here and his/her account closed, their contact information will be masked with "account closed", including in replies, but someone would have to go through their profile to cull every piece of content from the forums. When you post here, your content doesn't become "yours" anymore in the sense of belonging to your profile; it instead becomes a link through your profile for future reference. And inasmuch as the forums also act as a historical record, even if anyone here (staff and/or moderators) was inclined to do so, it would create odd and incoherent gaps in the conversations within threads especially for more prolific posters. In the almost 10 years I've been a mod here we (BP) have had to ban a few posters that had a pretty heavy post count. 

Post: Before You Buy in Pigeon Forge, Read This About the North Carolina Smokies

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Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@JD Martin I was just down there 2 weeks ago camping with friends. We rode motorcycles through all these towns. Can confirm the Dragons Tail can be a senior citizen tour especially during the fall and tree color change. So many roads equally as good that nobody talks about, and for good reason. Keeps the crazies away.

Did you see the Slammedenuff stupidity that occurred over the weekend in Pigeon Forge? That's not car culture, it's just criminals. 

Haha no doubt; I know some great roads closer to me as well but we don't tell anyone about them!

Post: Before You Buy in Pigeon Forge, Read This About the North Carolina Smokies

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Quote from @Mitch Davidson:

@Levi Bennett The area you've mentioned in WNC (ie, Bryson City, Cherokee, Waynesville, Maggie Valley, etc.) appeals more to people who want a quieter mountain vacation, and perhaps a less expensive one as well, which has implications for revenue. And having invested in markets like Bryson City, I would say you have to be very careful. Like most places, STR demand has been slow for nearly 3 years, but it seems to be especially slow for markets that aren't as well advertised at their neighbors (ie, WNC compared to east TN). And hurricane Helene only added insult to injury, meaning many people still think we're partially closed or that what was once wonderful has now been ruined (both of which aren't the case). Thus tourism remains incredibly slow even here in Asheville. So for those reasons I recommend investors focus on areas where the appreciation opportunity is strongest, meaning near Asheville, and that they focus on properties that are going to stand out amidst the noise and saturation. @JD Martin, I hear you, but the restrictions over here are really limited to Asheville, and really only to about 2/3 of Asheville, and then Woodfin on the northern border of Asheville, which is quite small. Our county, Buncombe, considered enacting some STR regulations a few years back but backed down once the threat of lawsuits became real. 


 I think you confused my post - I didn't mention the restrictions (in fact I worked in Woodfin for many years). I don't think restrictions really play into it at all out in BC MV Cherokee Franklin etc those are pretty red counties out there and there's really no zoning or restrictions to speak of. My point was those properties are worth less because they're less desirable; they're in the middle of nowhere relatively speaking. People who think they can compare Bryson City to Gatlinburg, Sevierville or even places like Cosby make me laugh. Most people have no idea just how small Bryson City, Dillsboro etc is, how actual far it is driving time from these places unless they've lived here. You're 100% right that people who tend to vacation in those areas are looking for the "cabin in the woods" type of experience because that's what you're going to get unless you like driving 45 minutes to get to things. Actually most people who have vacation homes out there come from Atlanta or Charlotte and are just looking for mountain getaway alternatives to Blue Ridge or the more expensive places in ski country like Beech Blowing Rock Linville Sugar Mtn etc.

Post: Tenants block/refuse to leave

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Wow. As already noted you seriously need to fire your PM unless you have some kind of odd do-it-yourself PM setup (in which case, why do you even need a PM?). I would take a good look at your contract with your PM because if it's any kind of professional contract there's a reasonably good chance they are grossly negligent by allowing the tenants to become 5 months delinquent without taking action, in which case I would take action against the PM as well to recover some of those funds. 

Post: What size to build…

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If I were building a SFH specifically as a rental it would be a 3/2 square box with no garage or at most a side carport, with an integrated front porch or rear porch. Preferably on a slab, which is the cheapest foundation you can build, and with roof trusses. I would try to limit the SF to about 1100-1300 depending on the floor plan. Even with the run up in prices if you GC it you can get into something like that for $150k not including the lot, so in the right areas it could make a lot of sense.

Post: Signing leases, how much time do you give?

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48 hours to sign & make payment directly to our business banking, or through a platform for out of towners. Beyond that we open the process up to the next applicant. Deposit & first month & any pet deposits due on signing. Renters are notorious for putting a property in their pocket while they look for something "better", usually meaning cheaper. If they find something else before they pay you, they just move on regardless of whether they've signed a lease. 

Post: Handyman vs General Contractor?

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Well, most "handymen" in my experience are barely handy at all. Anything beyond changing out light switch covers and things like that end up as hack jobs. Not all of course but it doesn't take a lot of effort or skill or licensing to advertise yourself as a handyman. 

A GC on the other hand will have to be licensed in pretty much every state, with insurance. They're going to be more expensive because they'll manage the job.

I prefer a third option - directly hire the subs and be your own GC, if allowed where you are. If I am having a full rehab done I can save 20-40% of the total job by hiring the subs directly. This doesn't work very well if you don't know what things should cost, don't know any subs, live in an area where there's a big shortage of subs, or don't know how to manage a project. In any of those cases you should use a GC. 

For my local properties I do most of my own "handyman" stuff. I'm better than 95% of them in my area (maybe higher), can do/build/fix virtually anything, and can get it done faster than arranging for a guy to come out. There's exceptions - things I don't like doing any more, and things that I want to keep a relationship with a trade. So I will throw some plumbing jobs to my plumber that I can do myself. Same with electrician. Same with HVAC. Not everything, not ridiculously easy or fast jobs, and not easy but emergency jobs. But by keeping the relationships I go right to the top of the list when I have an emergency, serious job that needs to be done. So the plumber does a few faucets and toilet replacements that I could easily handle so that when something busts loose on a weekend I can get him out there. ETC. 

Post: The Downfall of BiggerPockets Forums?

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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

Wow, after reading the thread in its entirety, there are so many things that I would like to say, but I am busy so I have created a great AI prompted response for more time efficiency. 

Here is my great AI response: You're all a bunch of whining babies!

I think that response summed it up fairly well. However, here are some more details for those who are less sensitive and able to read past the comment above.

Has BiggerPockets changed. Absolutely! Just like my midsection has. I don't like it but I deal with it because it isn't just BiggerPockets that has changed, I have changed, the markets have changed, technology has changed, and many people have come and gone. I don't lay blame on BiggerPockets because of this. I try to capitalize on the good. So let's start there and then go to some suggestions that I think may be helpful to me and possibly others but that may or may not be as helpful to BiggerPockets.

What I have found to be helpful on BiggerPockets over the years.

1. BiggerPockets has made me a millionaire several times over. I reached out to @Scott Trench in a private message shortly after he wrote his book and before he became the CEO of BiggerPockets and I told him that I wasn't getting many responses to my posts and asked if he had any suggestions of what I could do to get more interaction.  He responded by telling me to post something with an edge or somewhat controversial.  My next post was titled something like, "Are Newbie Investors Entitled?" That post got hundreds of responses. And it gave me an opportunity to share my experience with meeting with new investors for lunch and them asking me to share my knowledge and my contacts and then I was the one that ended up paying for lunch. But it also gave me an opportunity to share what I was doing at the time which was an earn and learn program where people would lend to me on my real estate deals and I would include them in my WhatsApp group and show them the steps of investing on the deals they were lending on.  From that post, one guy reached out to me and lent me $35,000 on one of my projects. It was super helpful to me and he earned money and we both benefited from it.  And that was just the beginning.

2. I started a real estate Meetup Group. BiggerPockets used to advertise more prominently local meetups hosted by members.  One guy posted a meetup to be held in my city but didn't have a location for it.  So I reached out to see where it would be held and there was no response and several people wanted to meetup.  So I highjacked the post and told everyone that I would provide the location for the meet up at my office. And from there, I started hosting meetups at my office in Mesa, Arizona every month (4th Monday of the month, message me for details) and I have kept it going for about 7 years now.  I used to get 25 - 40 people to those meetups and through the meetups I found dozens of private money lenders where I have raised millions of dollars in private money, and found some awesome partners, and have made some lifelong friends.  

3. The Podcast. It was around this time that @Mindy Jensen reached out to me and asked me to be on a podcast where I got to talk about my investing strategies combining the BRRRR strategy with lease options and calling it the BRRRLO Model. This opened up a ton more opportunities to connect with people building my real estate businesses. And speaking of the podcast, I was listing to the podcast that @Alexander Felice did years ago and It gave me an idea that led to another idea that led me to change the way I buy properties which helped me scale to 250 properties within just a few years. And I got that just from listening to a podcast with a curious mind.

4. Connections and Masterminds. Brandon Turner rolled out his intention journal several years ago and offered to connect people with other investors at their same level if they wanted to form small mastermind groups.  I took him up on that and I ordered the book for the sole purpose of connect with others in a mastermind group. This group of 5 BiggerPockets members lasted for 2 years where we had a weekly zoom call.  It was truly an incredible group. @JD Martin and @Jerry Williams know about it. My growth and knowledge increased a ton through the weekly meetups and I got up to 100 properties. I then sought out other investors through BiggerPockets with 100 or more properties to continue to grow and to learn better business systems to manage my growth and properties.  That mastermind group lasted another year and I learned a ton from that one too and I grew up to 200 units at that time.  My growth then led me to a mastermind outside of BiggerPockets for individuals who where multimillionaires that I wouldn't have been able to be a part of if it weren't for my growth that I had experienced through BiggerPockets. Through that mastermind group I continued to mature as an investors and learned more about partnerships and expanded my growth into large luxury vacation rentals which I now have 5, 2 cabins in Lakeside, Arizona that are top performers and 3 luxury private resorts in Costa Rica (for more info, reach out). None of this would have happened like it did without BiggerPockets. 

So I pay for a pro membership, not because I need the use of the calculators or most of the other pro membership benefits, but because I want to give back to the platform that, for me, helped me grow more than anything else and has connected me with incredible individuals that I have connected with off the platform and whom I would call friends.  People like
@JD Martin, @Jay Hinrichs, @Mike Dymski, @Alexander Felice, @Mindy Jensen, and so many others.  

So to respond to the idea of a Downfall of the BiggerPockets forum, I would say that you may want to look at a couple of things.  1) Look at your own personal growth.  Maybe you have grown as an investor and so you don't get as much out of the forums as you used to because you have already learned the basics really well and you are ready for more meatier discussions. And if that is the case find some of those people on BiggerPockets, because they are there. And if you are someone worth getting to know then you may find some awesome friendships through this platform. And 2) a lot of times you get out of things what you put in.  If you just expect to be fed and enlightened and complain when you're not you may not be contributing much yourself. 

As for things that I think would make BiggerPockets better, here are a few suggestions.

1. Bring the local meetup map back and include a link prominently on the main landing page. I think this was one of the best features.

2. Include on the main page the top 3 trending forum posts again.  The main page looks more like an advertising page rather than a forum website.  I would say to put the forum more centered and prominent on the front page of the website.

3. Lastly, for the BPCONs I would encourage you to have a fewer speakers but have the speakers speak in the opening sessions in the morning and have them speak for around 15 - 20 minutes each about a topic and then have them go into a deep dive for 2 hours on the subject in the breakout sessions.  Then have lunch and then come back for even more deeper content from the same presenters.  I think people are looking for more meat at the conferences rather than just skimming the surface for several topics. 

In summery: I tried to bring back some of the good stuff in this post by keeping it true to form with content teetering on breaking the rules with a few insults, controversy, possible use of AI, sprinkled with a little self-promotion of course. 

Yours truly, and have a great day and enjoy investing.

 Fixing BP is simple. All they've got to do is name me, James Wise, the #1 Classifieds & #4 Forums Contributor of All Time, the Supreme BP Overlord & Ruler. From there, it's all Cocaine and Rainbows for everyone.

 I could get behind this.  I think we would need to update your photo though to include a crown, a robe and a staff.


Ask and ye shall receive.... 

.... yes, I 100% used my ai to create this, took me all of 5min. Tell me how much ai sucks now.


Nope.... wait.... sorry, that one was way too lame, this is KING Wise were talking about, we need GRANDURE! 

OMG. 

Are those Guccis he's wearing? Or bedroom slippers? 🤣

Post: Free Sports Channel?

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We used to provide everything through Charter but consistently polled our guests and found that no one was using it at all. We cancelled it and went to an all-streaming Roku setup for the last year and had one complaint, but since they were just general complainers (a bug was inside the pool screen, for example) I don't think it would make a difference. This year was an exception but being near Disney we usually get a decent number of foreigners and they mostly watch soccer and cricket and things like that so they have their own streaming subscriptions. 

It just depends on your market. If you're somewhere that you expect a lot of people to stay home, you might want to provide some entertainment. In my market people often leave early and come back late so they generally don't care. 

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